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If you stop playing the toughest cash games for a year doing social media stuff/promoting your coaching product you will no longer be top dog in said games/not even close.

I'm sure doug would admit that, and there is no shame in it. He knew that (at least for him) HU was dead with no action, and 6max was never his thing, so he moved onto doing things he enjoy a lot more instead of waiting in lobbies/keeping up with solvers.

It's prob even the case that if doug stayed in the game other people would have overtaken him anyway given the study (and cheat) tools available now.

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10-16-2017 , 11:42 AM

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Lemon93PCTSure

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If it's live with cameras of course he will . He can get a norake deal and build his brand. Online challenge ? Lol no chance

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10-16-2017 , 12:07 PM

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PTLou

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Originally Posted by watergun7

It's prob even the case that if doug stayed in the game other people would have overtaken him anyway given the study (and cheat) tools available now.

go on.

rest of your post made good sense and maybe bolded part too, just don't know what you meant.

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10-16-2017 , 01:51 PM

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Agorophob

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I feel like Doug needs to address this as Ryan Fee is inextricably part of his brand. Coming up on 24 hours since this was originally published and no apology or comment from the upswing camp.

Fee posted, then shortly after deleted, this very disturbing Instagram story.

edit: can't get the photo to embed for whatever reason. Image is located here
https://imgur.com/a/vB6T7

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10-16-2017 , 01:53 PM

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Slugant

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no img

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10-16-2017 , 02:12 PM

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isunkurbttlship

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Yeah no img, can we get some sort of description?

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10-16-2017 , 02:15 PM

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prahsk87

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I think a few months ago Doug admitted on stream that even back when he actually played $25/50 6max he had a very marginal winrate and he wouldn't be a winning player in the current game. Not being able to beat $25/50 online is hardly an indictment of someone's poker game, anyway. What do you have to be, top 99.999 percentile of NLHE players or something?

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10-16-2017 , 02:20 PM

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mrno1324

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Is the implication that the child is on the spectrum or something? Out of line if so, but if not I can understand the frustration of seeing a healthy 4-5yo kid in a baby push chair.

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10-16-2017 , 03:15 PM

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Jamboolay

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

Is the implication that the child is on the spectrum or something? Out of line if so, but if not I can understand the frustration of seeing a healthy 4-5yo kid in a baby push chair.

How does the comment make sense in that context? Genuinely asking.
It doesn't make sense either way really imo.

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10-16-2017 , 03:34 PM

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bombonca

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Doug is such live fish, its that online mentality that makes you think that QQ is always a shove , it is not, Doug, sometimes your plays will be genius in live games, mostly probably, but sometimes you will trick yourself into a play that just makes no sense, you will be dominated way too often in what you think you may have the right odds or its only few hand combinations so its unlikely they have it, but they do. You are an amazing spot for that, you will commit a lot of money in spots where you are a huge underdog just because you think it makes sense to do so, but obv it dont. Thats why you are the fish in those games.

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10-16-2017 , 03:36 PM

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Glennis

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Originally Posted by Agorophob

What's important now is that we all get really offended. If we aren't on pink hair fat tumblerina offended levels then it is a sign of being heartless.

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10-16-2017 , 03:40 PM

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Agorophob

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

Is the implication that the child is on the spectrum or something? Out of line if so, but if not I can understand the frustration of seeing a healthy 4-5yo kid in a baby push chair.

She very much looks like she has cerebral palsy. I can't say what Fee's intent was, but to me the implication seems obvious.

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10-16-2017 , 03:43 PM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by bombonca

So basically he is the fish in the game because others are playing incorrectly?

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10-16-2017 , 03:49 PM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by Agorophob

I assume Ryan took this picture. If he took this picture just to make this post...what a piece of garbage.

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10-16-2017 , 03:50 PM

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bombonca

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Some elements of his game make him a fish, mainly willingness to bluff/stack off light. in live games people wait for hours for their spot, Doug will more often be on the wrong side of it when all money goes in imo.

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10-16-2017 , 03:55 PM

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restorativejustice

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When I saw the picture with Fees' caption I immediately, "That's terrible." Can't see another way to spin that to make him look anything other than obnoxious/insensitive/smug jerk.

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10-16-2017 , 04:15 PM

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mrno1324

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Originally Posted by bombonca

So if waiting a bunch for spots works why don't people just do the same online and print?

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10-16-2017 , 04:19 PM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by bombonca

Yeah that's the whole thing about playing close to unexploitable; you don't care how other people are playing. That way you always win in the end. When people wait for hours to finally play a hand they get run over in all other spots except when they finally get aces. They aren't making money waiting for hands against someone that plays a strategy that doesn't care about that.

Could he have made an exploitable adjustment? Sure, he would win more money in the long run. Winning less is not the same as losing.

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10-16-2017 , 04:34 PM

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SrslySirius

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

Sssshhhh. Less strat in NVG and more white magic please.

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10-16-2017 , 04:54 PM

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Xenoblade

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doug doesn't play unexploitable though, no offense to him at all, he's a great player but he's not unexploitable

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10-16-2017 , 04:57 PM

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bombonca

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

Lets not go too far and call Doug's play close to unexplitable, not only Doug's game but any human's game is still easily exploitable. Obv passive players will get run over, that's not the point, what i mean is that Doug's "unexploitable play" will be exploited in spots where he is playing generally against tighter ranges, 6 max live setting.

I don't consider Doug to be such great player anyway, i think he has huge leaks and would be a loser in these live games for sure

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10-16-2017 , 05:03 PM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by bombonca

Lets not go too far and call Doug's play close to unexplitable, not only Doug's game but any human's game is still easily exploitable. Obv passive players will get run over, that's not the point, what i mean is that Doug's "unexploitable play" will be exploited in spots where he is playing generally against tighter ranges, 6 max live setting.

Yes, he obviously doesn't get optimal value against nits when they actually have aces. Doesn't make it exploitable. I actually stopped reading after "exploiting unexploitable".

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10-16-2017 , 05:12 PM

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bombonca

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

Yes, he obviously doesn't get optimal value against nits when they actually have aces. Doesn't make it exploitable. I actually stopped reading after "exploiting unexploitable".

I never said nits and aces only, but general ranges, Doug's exploitble play as you call it will end up costing him more then he can ever win just due to general live high stakes 6 max gameplay , his gto bluffs, opening ranges, continuations and calldowns will make him a loser in these games.