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Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands) Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands)

07-31-2020 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
He didn’t go door to door because there’s a pandemic that was getting worse, so going door to door would be irresponsible, and online signatures wouldn’t count. your arguments are as disingenuous as Daniel’s.
By your own metric, I suppose apps and services like Tinder, DoorDash, Uber Eats, etc should not have been in operation from March-July?

I'm not trying to derail, the bottom line is:

Virtuous Doug had no intention of doing anything with the Vegas Mayor Recall Campaign because he wasn't serious about doing it in the first place.

Attention-starved Doug wanted attention and he used Covid 19 to do it. The campaign was nothing but an attention grab to feed his ego and get clicks to his YouTube channel.

It had nothing to do with helping the residents of Southern Nevada.

If Doug wanted the signatures, he could have brainstormed with billionaire Stephen Cloobeck, who offered to bankroll this campaign, to figure out a way to do it safely. IF THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY.

Outside of that, he could have used Cloobecks assistance to sue the city to change the rules to get a virtual petition started. Other cities in the USA were successful in this endeavor.

Again, not to derail, but this is all laid out in the Doug Polk for Mayor thread.

The Door to Door excuse is just that... an excuse... Other door-to-door services didn't make excuses... You know, much like other door to door services like DoorDash, UberEats, Tinder, etc continued to operate during the height of the pandemic.

My point still stands. Doug only cares about Doug. His actions and antics have made that abundantly clear. No one is surprised that Doug doesn't want to play for charity.
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07-31-2020 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Do people really think Doug is doing this so he can start up his Youtuve channel again? Or so he can get more views or something? 0/10 take
No I believe that

1. His crypto business failed and didnt get the anticipated audience in other endeauvers.

2. He got bored. (No action all of the sudden)

3 and got back to his usual antics stalking Daniel because it was much more fun. Especially good timing when Daniel dropped the Mr nice guy persona and looks like he is fed up with taking crap from bullying people.
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07-31-2020 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnCleese
Have you looked at btc/eth etc etc prices recently?
BTC and ETH are not ICOs.

I'm pretty confident in saying that 90% of ICOs, atleast the ones started in the past 2-3 years, will be failures.

Maybe that changes as the technology matures but the ICOs of a few years ago, when coincentral started, are mostly destined for vaporware status.
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07-31-2020 , 11:29 AM
Let's also not forget that Doug Polk was cybersquatting on runitoncepoker dot com while running a competing business and called it a "joke". He insulted Galfond/runitonce calling them idiots. The website redirected to this twitter post:

"looks like ill have my pokersite up before galfond/runitonce idiots. heard they don't even own the domain for their site

— Jason Mo (@****ycakes123) September 26, 2017"

What did Galfond ever do to Doug Polk for him to be such a flaming douchebag to him??

Again, Doug Polk is a douchebag.
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07-31-2020 , 11:31 AM
Doug was also one of the bigger outlets to expose BitConnect.

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PTLou: https://upswingpoker.com/advanced-heads-up-mastery/

How much of an edge could Polk really have?
Lou: This has a two part answer. The first is that following your logic, mostly every serious player is now comparable to Doug at the height of his game. The second is to use a comparison: Phil Galfond.

The extra credit is Dnegs uses roids and Polk is in his physical prime

Last edited by Tuma; 07-31-2020 at 11:43 AM. Reason: sounded like a masterclass ad
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07-31-2020 , 11:34 AM
Pretty sure everything but bc was losing money.
Since when do online petitions not count?

And the whole major polk and go into politics was a huge failure.

Pretty convenient timing that Daniel went on a rage playing the wsop online. Where it was clear he has little experience with online games anymore. Easy target. Or so they thought...
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07-31-2020 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by easyfnmoney
By your own metric, I suppose apps and services like Tinder, DoorDash, Uber Eats, etc should not have been in operation from March-July?

I'm not trying to derail, the bottom line is:

Virtuous Doug had no intention of doing anything with the Vegas Mayor Recall Campaign because he wasn't serious about doing it in the first place.

Attention-starved Doug wanted attention and he used Covid 19 to do it. The campaign was nothing but an attention grab to feed his ego and get clicks to his YouTube channel.

It had nothing to do with helping the residents of Southern Nevada.

If Doug wanted the signatures, he could have brainstormed with billionaire Stephen Cloobeck, who offered to bankroll this campaign, to figure out a way to do it safely. IF THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY.

Outside of that, he could have used Cloobecks assistance to sue the city to change the rules to get a virtual petition started. Other cities in the USA were successful in this endeavor.

Again, not to derail, but this is all laid out in the Doug Polk for Mayor thread.

The Door to Door excuse is just that... an excuse... Other door-to-door services didn't make excuses... You know, much like other door to door services like DoorDash, UberEats, Tinder, etc continued to operate during the height of the pandemic.

My point still stands. Doug only cares about Doug. His actions and antics have made that abundantly clear. No one is surprised that Doug doesn't want to play for charity.
By my own metric? Tinder is a door to door service? They have contactless delivery... how do you get contactless signatures. Just stop
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07-31-2020 , 11:47 AM
In one video he labelled Daniel an angle shooter.
I have never seen or heard Daniel Ange shooting ever!
And even in this clip he wasnt angle shooting at all.
Funny thing is how easy it was to discredit his claim because in the clip dnegs announced his bet.
He said " I have to double your bet"
Anyone remember this?

That is about the time I stopped following Doug. It was my red flag, or line that got crossed.
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07-31-2020 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
Doug was also one of the bigger outlets to expose BitConnect.
Doug deserves credit where credit is due --- but redflags on BitConnect were being raised way before Doug started talking about it. But he does deserve credit for amplifying it.

I forget the BitConnect guy's name.. Trayvon maybe? A lot of people in the crypto community were raising red flags on that guy and even commentors on Trayvon's videos were calling BS on BitConnect... There were even documentaries released about BC being a scam.

I'm not saying Doug did anything illegal with CoinCentral. His website clearly says to talk to a professional before making investment decisions.

I'm simply saying that he created a platform for projects that were destined to eventually become vaporware.

Illegal? No.

Unethical or Predatory? I don't know.

Despite reading the "Consult a professional" clause on every page of his site... it's kinda like telling someone who needs to go on a diet to consult their physician.. They rarely do.

"Consult a Professional" is just a CYA phrase.
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07-31-2020 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
By my own metric? Tinder is a door to door service? They have contactless delivery... how do you get contactless signatures. Just stop
Tinder is used for sex...

How do you have sex without contact? Enlighten us.

There's a lot less contact involved with "Hey can you sign this" versus...

Sex.
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07-31-2020 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by easyfnmoney
Doug deserves credit where credit is due --- but redflags on BitConnect were being raised way before Doug started talking about it. But he does deserve credit for amplifying it.

I forget the BitConnect guy's name.. Trayvon maybe? A lot of people in the crypto community were raising red flags on that guy and even commentors on Trayvon's videos were calling BS on BitConnect... There were even documentaries released about BC being a scam.
Not sure, but I would not know and remember who Crypto Nick was if not for Doug Polk.
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07-31-2020 , 11:57 AM
Has anyone counted the videos he made fun of daniel?
I cannot even find the clip anymore because it seems every video has possible attacks against him. It seemed like a weird obsession.
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07-31-2020 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by easyfnmoney
By your own metric, I suppose apps and services like Tinder, DoorDash, Uber Eats, etc should not have been in operation from March-July?

I'm not trying to derail, the bottom line is:

Virtuous Doug had no intention of doing anything with the Vegas Mayor Recall Campaign because he wasn't serious about doing it in the first place.

Attention-starved Doug wanted attention and he used Covid 19 to do it. The campaign was nothing but an attention grab to feed his ego and get clicks to his YouTube channel.

It had nothing to do with helping the residents of Southern Nevada.

If Doug wanted the signatures, he could have brainstormed with billionaire Stephen Cloobeck, who offered to bankroll this campaign, to figure out a way to do it safely. IF THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY.

Outside of that, he could have used Cloobecks assistance to sue the city to change the rules to get a virtual petition started. Other cities in the USA were successful in this endeavor.

Again, not to derail, but this is all laid out in the Doug Polk for Mayor thread.

The Door to Door excuse is just that... an excuse... Other door-to-door services didn't make excuses... You know, much like other door to door services like DoorDash, UberEats, Tinder, etc continued to operate during the height of the pandemic.

My point still stands. Doug only cares about Doug. His actions and antics have made that abundantly clear. No one is surprised that Doug doesn't want to play for charity.
If he cared about clicks he would continue to make poker videos which generated 10x the views. The idea that he was relies on money from youtube (lol) is the dumbest narrative that keeps getting spewed out.
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07-31-2020 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Has anyone counted the videos he made fun of daniel?
I cannot even find the clip anymore because it seems every video has possible attacks against him. It seemed like a weird obsession.
Lol ya I'm beginning to really believe your not a troll but are instead fueled by your obsession of Dnegs.
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07-31-2020 , 12:05 PM
Daniel deserves it and Doug knows that. When the biggest poker ambassador in the world is telling everyone that more rake is better then we have a massive massive problem. Particularly when a lot people think he knows a lot about poker. They trust his opinion.
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07-31-2020 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by freedom 35
If he cared about clicks he would continue to make poker videos which generated 10x the views. The idea that he was relies on money from youtube (lol) is the dumbest narrative that keeps getting spewed out.
Maybe you are right about YouTube clicks specifically but I think it boils down to Doug only wanting attention

Doug got international media attention for this stunt.

https://apnews.com/21bae94c1548fa58e6a34fbe43a7d380

None of Polk's poker videos or YouTube channels would have gotten Doug international media attention. Doug started the campaign for attention and I stand by that.
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07-31-2020 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tomsOn
Tournament cashes are a clumsy metric, because:
a) it's revenue, not profit. 42m in cashes might mean 30m profit or 3m profit. we can only guess
Funny to me that we're in 2020, and this still needs to be explained on 2+2. Mainstream media outlets? Fine. Casual fans? Makes sense. But on here, it's like having to explain that a flush beats a straight or something.

Besides, in terms all of Negreanu's tourney cashes, he has been forthright that he has still been a net loser in recent years... which just shows you how high is annual buy-ins are.
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07-31-2020 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnCleese
Daniel deserves it and Doug knows that. When the biggest poker ambassador in the world is telling everyone that more rake is better then we have a massive massive problem. Particularly when a lot people think he knows a lot about poker. They trust his opinion.
Let's break this down:

Who would you like to have had as your ambassador?
Jason Mercier? Who?

Do you think they would have behaved differently?

Do you think there are lot of people talking up to their emlpoyer? Especially if that employer has billions of revenue and managing levels that it hard to believe Daniel would have made the slightest dent in their business anticts.

In his shoes would you have said no I'm not taking that 3m check If you don't improve players conditions?
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07-31-2020 , 12:27 PM
The argument was that higher rake would even the field more. Better for the recs and worse for the regs. Better for the poker economy because fish would last longer and frequent the site more. And a little worse for the pros. The real pros still had enough edge though and kept profiting.

About the rakeback l think there was no impact to be had of Daniel.
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07-31-2020 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Let's break this down:

Who would you like to have had as your ambassador?
Jason Mercier? Who?

Do you think he would have behaved differently?

Do you think there are lot of people talking up to their emlpoyer? Especially if that employer has billions of revenue and managing levels that it hard to believe Daniel would have made the slightest dent in their business anticts.

In his shoes would you have said no I'm not taking that 3m check If you don't improve players conditions?
I like that Daniel is the ambassador, on the whole. He plays relatively bad, speculative poker. That in itself is a net positive.

I guarantee you, without a shred of doubt, that Jason Mercier would never say more rake is better.

Your point about Daniel talking up to his employer is absurd. They probably asked him to say more rake is better.
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07-31-2020 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by easyfnmoney
Maybe you are right about YouTube clicks specifically but I think it boils down to Doug only wanting attention

Doug got international media attention for this stunt.

https://apnews.com/21bae94c1548fa58e6a34fbe43a7d380

None of Polk's poker videos or YouTube channels would have gotten Doug international media attention. Doug started the campaign for attention and I stand by that.
I see it exactly to be the reason. That and feeling better when devaluating others.
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07-31-2020 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Let's also not forget that Doug Polk was cybersquatting on runitoncepoker dot com while running a competing business and called it a "joke". He insulted Galfond/runitonce calling them idiots. The website redirected to this twitter post:

"looks like ill have my pokersite up before galfond/runitonce idiots. heard they don't even own the domain for their site

— Jason Mo (@****ycakes123) September 26, 2017"

What did Galfond ever do to Doug Polk for him to be such a flaming douchebag to him??

Again, Doug Polk is a douchebag.
I'd say making fun of the way a Vietnamese guy talks to their face at the poker table and laughing in their face about it is pretty D Bag too.

I guess it's both cringe and d baggery. The cringe is that he thinks it's so funny to do so. But he probably also thought the blackface was hilarious too. And it was ok because he has a black friend.

Doug is at least funny which makes him more likable to me. DN is just so unlikable.
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07-31-2020 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnCleese
I like that Daniel is the ambassador, on the whole. He plays relatively bad, speculative poker. That in itself is a net positive.

I guarantee you, without a shred of doubt, that Jason Mercier would never say more rake is better.

Your point about Daniel talking up to his employer is absurd. They probably asked him to say more rake is better.
In every business there is a conflict of interest where people make mistakes.
I have talked on my companies behalf realizing that it might not be in the best interest of my customers. Only because they told me to say it. We make mistakes and we live with it.

I'm not so sure about Jason Mercier but you seem to know him.
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07-31-2020 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnCleese
I like that Daniel is the ambassador, on the whole. He plays relatively bad, speculative poker. That in itself is a net positive.

I guarantee you, without a shred of doubt, that Jason Mercier would never say more rake is better.

Your point about Daniel talking up to his employer is absurd. They probably asked him to say more rake is better.
You see? He is the best option and we should be grateful. I guarantee you if we had Helmuth or Mike Matusow poker would probably be in a darker light with more scandals. So I also like that he is the ambassador.
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07-31-2020 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
In one video he labelled Daniel an angle shooter.
I have never seen or heard Daniel Ange shooting ever!
And even in this clip he wasnt angle shooting at all.
Funny thing is how easy it was to discredit his claim because in the clip dnegs announced his bet.
He said " I have to double your bet"
Anyone remember this?

That is about the time I stopped following Doug. It was my red flag, or line that got crossed.
Video of Daniel potentially angle shooting. “Misclick” opens AK 11x in a tournament. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYd8XipbKRQ

I live misclick more than most people, but it still doesn’t happen very often and it’s never happened with a premium hand preflop when everything is super standard and routine. It’s definitely possible it was a misclick but it would be a weird coincidence.

I don’t watch enough poker to call Daniel an angler, this incident probably isn’t enough if it’s inconsistent with his overall character, but that hand is suspicious.

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