Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands) - Page 11 - Poker News

Whoever wins or loses the showdown they will probably both win more money because of it in the future then possible losses in the match. It seems people aren't giving enough credit how marketing and social media works.

Now this is a real feud and ego driven no doubt, but neither makes (most of) their money playing poker. One makes money by sponsors the other by selling poker training material. This will just bring more publicity to both of them.

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07-30-2020 , 09:52 PM

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easyfnmoney

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

IMHO it would be stupid of DN to do this.

Is there any doubt that the vast majority of DN's lifetime income has come from his persona rather than actually playing poker?

I would wager his lifetime sponsorships dwarf his actually winnings from actually playing poker.
From live tournaments alone I would not be surprised if he is lifetime loser if we factor in all the buyins/rebuys and all the living/traveling expenses to play the live tournaments.
Also factoring in the US tax laws.
It hurts when you make a big bink every few years and lose most years.

At least with DP he appears to have made most of his money from actually playing poker (before his poker training site) as he has had no major sponsorships over the years he played high stakes cash games.

IMHO DN would be better off with a celebrity boxing match as it doesn't hurt the "perception" of his reputation as a poker player.
If he gets totally smoked by DP at poker it would be hard to live down.

I think it doesn't happen. But who knows?

It was a few years ago but Dnegs was with a camera crew and he had an app on his phone that tracked his tourney buyins, win rates, etc... I don't remember what the clip was... but basically, outside of winning a high roller event that year, he was a break even player.

That's a small sample size and he was still up a few million for the due because of the high roller win but I thought that it was interesting that he atleast "Opened up the books" for the world to see.

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07-30-2020 , 10:04 PM

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golfnutt

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Goes to show you that nobody retires from poker. We are all lifers.

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07-30-2020 , 10:28 PM

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RoadtoPro

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DP is probably regretting his decision to release a HU course that gives everyone an inside look into his database and his fundamental strat/insight.

Albeit that was probably a legacy play, not just for profit.

It reduces his edge quite a bit in these dick waving HU4ROLLZ matches he’s going to be lining up imo.

I assume DN is going to be watching all of that?

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07-30-2020 , 10:57 PM

#255

gotnothing

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Originally Posted by PuckFokerGo

Edit: I'm very surprised that Daniel didn't take Polk up on his offer to play another game in addition to HUNL.

What? And actually show up without an excuse?

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07-30-2020 , 11:01 PM

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golfbum983

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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro

This has little to no impact to any match vs dnegs

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07-30-2020 , 11:07 PM

#257

gotnothing

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Originally Posted by washoe

Imo its like asking a guy who achieved everything to sit down for an eternity and study a new game. It's like a fortnite champion is asking you for a battle.

Look at this guy's commenting history. It's all DNegs fanboy apology. Embarrassing.

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07-30-2020 , 11:12 PM

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Dominic

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Why do you all hate these two so much? Both DNegs and Polk have been entertaining us and putting themselves out there in the public eye for years now (decades for DN), and yet you all just hate on them so much.

Sure, I can see disagreeing with how DN handled the whole Pokerstars thing, but it was his JOB.

WTF has Polk ever done except succeed at the highest levels of the game and then host a very entertaining and funny youtube channel?

You all sound like lil bi*ches

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07-30-2020 , 11:13 PM

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Tuma

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Originally Posted by golfbum983

This has little to no impact to any match vs dnegs

yep. can be understood with a graph showing what happened when doug and sauce played hu4souls. i believe this took place at the end of doug's reign, by then doug's approach was widely known.

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07-30-2020 , 11:21 PM

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zrap

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Can't they just have an MMA fight in 6 months instead of one of these lame HUNL matches?

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07-30-2020 , 11:21 PM

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SimpleRick

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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic

I think Daniel comes off way worse than Doug.

He's the walking embodiment of iamverybadass and cringetopia.

While I don't like Daniel Negreanu I also don't like Doug Polk. It's close but I feel like Doug Polk is the bigger douche.

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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT

Rake is almost nothing at 200/400 as is.

At 200/400 on GG it is 5% with a $50 cap. On average after 10k hands thats 185k in rake. Not peanuts.

https://www.primedope.com/online-pok...ke-calculator/

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07-30-2020 , 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by easyfnmoney

Wasn't there videos of Polk struggling with the variance at 2NL on WSOP? Then, to finish the challenge, Polk had to bumhunt at higher stakes games and play outside of the bankroll management rules to get across the finish line.

Yup, though I think was a bit higher than 2nl where he struggled w/ the variance

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07-30-2020 , 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleRick

While I don't like Daniel Negreanu I also don't like Doug Polk. It's close but I feel like Doug Polk is the bigger douche.

At 200/400 on GG it is 5% with a $50 cap. On average after 10k hands thats 185k in rake. Not peanuts.

https://www.primedope.com/online-pok...ke-calculator/

I could see this being a reason the match doesn't happen. Dnegs says the match has to happen on GG. Doug says rake is too high, he won't play there. Stalemate. Both sides accuse the other side of being unreasonable. etc etc

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07-30-2020 , 11:52 PM

#264

flopflop

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More rake is better

Couldn't help myself... $50 rake though... Even if DN got super lucky and "won" the rake would likely be the only true winner

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07-31-2020 , 12:15 AM

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MicroDonkYT

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Originally Posted by SimpleRick

Wow, I had no idea. I assumed it was $4-$5 cap like everywhere else. That's probably close to unbeatable.

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07-31-2020 , 12:19 AM

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RoadtoPro

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more rake is better amirite

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07-31-2020 , 12:30 AM

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Tuma

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Originally Posted by madmansam

Sadly dnegs will keep applying pressure to take away skill from the compeition. He's already demanding higher variance sngs instead of cash.

I think the only way this ends up not being lame is if they do it live in a steel cage, battleship style. Here is what I'm thinking of:

Last edited by Tuma; 07-31-2020 at 12:40 AM.

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07-31-2020 , 12:37 AM

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Carl Trooper

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I know ONE guy who is not happy about this....

And we may hear from him soon...

Spoiler:

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07-31-2020 , 12:52 AM

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gh0ulpatrol

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I'd take DN at worse than market odds if I also win the bet if the challenge doesn't finish by the end of the year. I doubt this actually goes down.

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07-31-2020 , 12:54 AM

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Jaznin

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GG would probably be willing to give them a couple of special tables where they don't charge any rake or else give them 100% rb. The publicity for the site would surely make business sense+cents.

Failing that, Doug and Daniel could both send $500,000 to a reputable third party.
They can play on GG @ 1c/2c and just multiply the end result by 20,000.
I am willing to be the eskrow agent if that's what it takes to get this party started.

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07-31-2020 , 01:04 AM

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golfbum983

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Originally Posted by Tuma

yep. can be understood with a graph showing what happened when doug and sauce played hu4souls. i believe this took place at the end of doug's reign, by then doug's approach was widely known.

My point wasn’t what Doug was doing was widely known or not, but more about wether or not Danny is going to spend time going through databases analyzing play, something he has probably never done. He has always been a “feel” player.

Any adjustments DN takes will be when he is a actually playing Doug.

Dnegs vs Doug live you could make a case for Dnegs but online hunl 25k hands or more is a suicide mission and I think we all know that.....

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07-31-2020 , 01:08 AM

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persianpunisher

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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT

Wow, I had no idea. I assumed it was $4-$5 cap like everywhere else. That's probably close to unbeatable.

And they rake pots pre flop. GGPoker is a scam.

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07-31-2020 , 01:12 AM

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dingdongdonkey

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Originally Posted by SimpleRick

Well they´re not going to play 200/400. My best guess would be that they will play 25/50. The cap is 50 % lower at those stakes, which means that GG will "only" take a whole buy-in off the table every 800 hands or so lol. Then again, DN is probably on 100% rakeback anyway and DG should be able to get some kind of arrangement à la llimitless, i.e. 95 % rakeback, as well. While rake is obviously insane, I don´t think it will be that big a consideration.

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07-31-2020 , 01:38 AM

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Mr Spyutastic

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Originally Posted by SimpleRick

While I don't like Daniel Negreanu I also don't like Doug Polk. It's close but I feel like Doug Polk is the bigger douche.

Yeah but DN is just the cringiest mofo alive.

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07-31-2020 , 02:15 AM

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parfoomgirl

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Originally Posted by fishfood69er

every argument in poker should be solved by HU for RoLLz , this has potential to be so great if one of them rage tilts . obv probably gonna be dnegs. also i love how doug is so open about being a piece of **** and not wanting to donate money to charity. i respect that.

I can't find the quote, but I read a tweet from Doug earlier that said something like he didn't want to play for charity for promotion/make Dnegs look good. In other words, not for the true charity aspect. Everything I have seen Dnegs do for others is always highly publicized. Celebrities such as Eminem, Prince, George Michaels, and Miley Cyrus have given generously of their time and money, but it's not highly publicized such as when Oprah does the same.

Doug is NOT a POS, and you should respect THAT.

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