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Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands) Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands)

07-30-2020 , 12:25 AM
Veni and Galfond had 20k viewers on Twitch . . . terrible Pokerstars streamers like Spraggy (sp?) and whoever else get 30k Twitch viewers when they run deep into relatively small tournaments.

Polk and Negreanu are the two biggest YT poker channels and have a ton of social media presence, I would guess we could see 60k for the finals, maybe 30k as peak viewership on other days

also I am admittedly a Polk fan but he will completely, utterly obliterate Negreanu in HUNL; I doubt that Negreanu is even in the top 1000 players in the world in high-stakes HUNL. even if Doug has now slipped to, say, the 100th best player, I just don't see any way that he loses to Negreanu
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07-30-2020 , 01:35 AM
be 100x better if they played live, or at least some of it.
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07-30-2020 , 01:39 AM
Not sure if (or why) this sparks the interest of other people but I find this whole thing silly and dull. We already know Doug is better than Daniel in HUNL and regardless of the results that will still be the case. We also already know these two guys' personalities very well at this point and nothing remarkably interesting or stimulating will be revealed from this.

It's just some dumb, petty, childish feud between two of the more charismatic people in poker, but also two people whom we've seen (more than) plenty of. Are either of them really that compelling at this point in time? Isn't this somewhat analogous to when Pacquiao fought Mayweather 3-5 years too late?

Honestly...like who cares?
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07-30-2020 , 01:54 AM
Tom Dwan plays winner.

Looking forward to this as this could be Doug's final comeback...hope he wins a million or two
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07-30-2020 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by valaea3
Veni and Galfond had 20k viewers on Twitch . . . terrible Pokerstars streamers like Spraggy (sp?) and whoever else get 30k Twitch viewers when they run deep into relatively small tournaments.

Polk and Negreanu are the two biggest YT poker channels and have a ton of social media presence, I would guess we could see 60k for the finals, maybe 30k as peak viewership on other days

also I am admittedly a Polk fan but he will completely, utterly obliterate Negreanu in HUNL; I doubt that Negreanu is even in the top 1000 players in the world in high-stakes HUNL. even if Doug has now slipped to, say, the 100th best player, I just don't see any way that he loses to Negreanu
Spraggy does seem pretty terrible
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07-30-2020 , 02:02 AM
I think Daniel comes off way worse than Doug.

He's the walking embodiment of iamverybadass and cringetopia.
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07-30-2020 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Sir Huntington
Ya at this point what does DN have to prove anyway? This entire challenge is just dumb. Polk is usually smarter than this imo. Now if he challenged him to who can make a better WSOP series run that would be interesting. I'd actually pay attention to the WSOP for the first time in almost a decade lol. Honestly who the **** is gonna pay attention this challenge but poker nerds?


If they did a WSOP series challenge bet that should I would get all the random part time poker fans interested. This Polk challenge is some kiddie game stuff, they need to think like they are playing in the big boy game.
Ya he is so stupid for getting someone worse then him to play 25k hands of hu 200/400 action against him. He should of clearly made it a challenge in donkaments.
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07-30-2020 , 02:26 AM
Good thing Daniel showed the people trolling in chat who’s boss.

I’m sure if the challenge is streamed his chat will have learned to be more respectful and not tilt him when he’s playing.
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07-30-2020 , 03:49 AM
And what happened to this galfond challenge ? Seems like nodoby cares anymore about this or RIO, just lol
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07-30-2020 , 04:14 AM
Wait this is actually happening? Dafuq?
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07-30-2020 , 04:40 AM
I wonder just how rusty Doug is from not playing a lot of HUNL these past couple years. Surly he still has a massive edge though and its hard to see how Daniel wins this without a massive scoop of variance in his favour. That's if this actually goes ahead in the first place and if it does that it doesn't go the way of jungle vs durrrr.
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07-30-2020 , 05:29 AM
A three year retired Polk would wipe the floor with the best version of Negreanu. It's going to be an utter bloodbath.
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07-30-2020 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FastBF
Not sure if (or why) this sparks the interest of other people but I find this whole thing silly and dull. We already know Doug is better than Daniel in HUNL and regardless of the results that will still be the case. We also already know these two guys' personalities very well at this point and nothing remarkably interesting or stimulating will be revealed from this.

It's just some dumb, petty, childish feud between two of the more charismatic people in poker, but also two people whom we've seen (more than) plenty of. Are either of them really that compelling at this point in time? Isn't this somewhat analogous to when Pacquiao fought Mayweather 3-5 years too late?

Honestly...like who cares?
Pretty depressing view, still very true
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07-30-2020 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by arcdog
25k hands is not a crapshoot
I don’t know what the actual std Dev is for heads up, but I’ve seen the figure 150 bb/100 thrown around. If we use that, and assume Polk has a 5bb/100 winrate, he would still have a 30% chance of losing after 25k hands. A 10 bb/100 winner would have a 15% chance of loss.

I don’t know what kind of winrates are realistic heads up as compared to 6max.

Anyone who has HUNL experience feel free to tell me the standard deviation I used is wrong.

Not a crapshoot, Doug should be the heavy favorite, but it’s not impossible that Daniel wins.

Last edited by Badreg2017; 07-30-2020 at 06:28 AM.
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07-30-2020 , 06:29 AM
What is the o/u on Polk's winrate? 30bb/100? 25?
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07-30-2020 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by fakekidpoker
Tom Dwan plays winner.

Looking forward to this as this could be Doug's final comeback...hope he wins a million or two
Whichever wins, DN or Polk, would absolutely destroy Dwan. Wouldn’t even be close.
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07-30-2020 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rodgethat
Ya he is so stupid for getting someone worse then him to play 25k hands of hu 200/400 action against him. He should of clearly made it a challenge in donkaments.
This is not a challenge, if I go beat the **** out of a 12 year old it's not a challenge. This is some ******ed **** and that's what it is. DN and Polk must be smoking crack to think this means anything. One is a dedicated tourney pro and one is a dedicated HU pro. Polk can't even sit there and play 6 max without being a ****ing spaz and Daniel will get eaten alive in HU but would rape Polk in a 9max mixed game.



If you understand competition than this is dumb as letting dog **** drip down your face. If you don't understand that than go eat **** you ****ing peasant.
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07-30-2020 , 06:56 AM
DNegs got nothing to gain from this. Polk's act is getting tiresome.
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07-30-2020 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
What is the o/u on Polk's winrate? 30bb/100? 25?
I think it will depend a bit on how long sessions they play for and if they will break the tables if they get deeper.

I think 30 and 25bb/100 is too high for NLH probably around 11-15bb/100 for 100bb poker
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07-30-2020 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by valaea3
Veni and Galfond had 20k viewers on Twitch . . . terrible Pokerstars streamers like Spraggy (sp?) and whoever else get 30k Twitch viewers when they run deep into relatively small tournaments.
Mtt streamers are way more popular than any hs player. People love to see the "story" in mtts. Cash is just boring for most of the twitch audience no matter how high the stakes are. And the biggest ps streamers are getting the biggest audience anyway.

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Originally Posted by Bananasplit
And what happened to this galfond challenge ? Seems like nodoby cares anymore about this or RIO, just lol
Galfond is in the usa atm so he can't play.
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07-30-2020 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula
Mtt streamers are way more popular than any hs player. People love to see the "story" in mtts. Cash is just boring for most of the twitch audience no matter how high the stakes are. And the biggest ps streamers are getting the biggest audience anyway.
I don't think this has to be true, it's just that no one streams HS cashgames but people stream some HS tourneys
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07-30-2020 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sir Huntington
This is not a challenge, if I go beat the **** out of a 12 year old it's not a challenge. This is some ******ed **** and that's what it is. DN and Polk must be smoking crack to think this means anything. One is a dedicated tourney pro and one is a dedicated HU pro. Polk can't even sit there and play 6 max without being a ****ing spaz and Daniel will get eaten alive in HU but would rape Polk in a 9max mixed game.



If you understand competition than this is dumb as letting dog **** drip down your face. If you don't understand that than go eat **** you ****ing peasant.
HU is the only format for settling grudges. Not necessarily HUNL, but you definitely don't bring 7 other people to battle to settle a grudge vs one person. A boxing match unironically makes more sense than this joke notion.
Doug has an advantage in HU? Tough, should not be getting into grudges and accepting challenges then.
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07-30-2020 , 07:07 AM
RIP Negreanu
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07-30-2020 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula
Mtt streamers are way more popular than any hs player. People love to see the "story" in mtts. Cash is just boring for most of the twitch audience no matter how high the stakes are. And the biggest ps streamers are getting the biggest audience anyway.
Nah mate, for most people just a good screensaver/background.
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07-30-2020 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Sir Huntington
than this is dumb as letting dog **** drip down your face. If you don't understand that than go eat **** you ****ing peasant.
no idea about anything ITT, but that was pretty funny.
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