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Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands) Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands)

08-03-2020 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Polk was not good enough of a poker player to win in any format besides HUNLHE. Buy his courses!
Has he made any courses besides his heads up no limit course? I thought upswing got different players to make other content.
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08-03-2020 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
I doubt it, he only won ~1million winning the one drop. He had 30% of himself in that tournament. And he wasn't playing cash games anymore by that point.
he binked online too, I think you underestimate him a little too much, sure he wasn’t as good as llinus nowadays or whatever but he was still pretty good
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08-03-2020 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick

Really who cares if Polk won or lost money at poker over the last 5-7 years? He's still a douchebag for cyber-squatting. Just my simple opinion though. No need to get mad at me and insult me buddy. =D
Thought the cyber-squatting thing was something independently done by another member of the Evil Empire team (believe it was J-Mo aka ****ycakes), and then Polk just laughed about it. Also, think I read somewhere that in the end Mo or whoever did it, did the right thing and ended up giving the domain to PG, very unsure about this last part tbh.
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08-03-2020 , 11:30 AM
I thought it was a joke among tycoons?
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08-03-2020 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Liveidiot
Not close. More like Keith Tkachuk and Thomas Holmström.
if its a tkachuk then its brady.

this is brady vs matthew tkachuk
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08-03-2020 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by vherreral
Thought the cyber-squatting thing was something independently done by another member of the Evil Empire team (believe it was J-Mo aka ****ycakes), and then Polk just laughed about it. Also, think I read somewhere that in the end Mo or whoever did it, did the right thing and ended up giving the domain to PG, very unsure about this last part tbh.
Yes I believe technically Jason Mo was the person who bought the runitoncepoker domain. But I'm also pretty sure he was an employee of upswingpoker at the time. Whether he was or not his relationship with the owner and Doug's defending the website as a joke makes Doug culpable in the cybersquatting.

I can't seem to find any thread or discussion of the cybersquatting on 2p2. Maybe I'm not digging hard enough but I think it all got scrubbed. I even remember Mason Malmuth commenting that it wasn't cybersquatting because he wasn't trying to sell the domain or something ridiculously stupid like that. After Dutch Boyd was squatting on a 2p2 domain you'd think he'd know better. But Doug Polk does a lot of advertising on this website so he gets preferential treatment.

And what you call "doing the right thing" is just limiting their liability after realizing what they did was not just immoral but also criminal. Giving the domain to Phil Galfond was not done out of generosity or an attempt to "do the right thing" at all. Don't be naive, Doug Polk is a douchebag.

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
he binked online too, I think you underestimate him a little too much, sure he wasn’t as good as llinus nowadays or whatever but he was still pretty good
Oh don't get me wrong, Doug Polk is an excellent poker player. One of the best ever at HUNLHE especially. But he was a losing player for the last few years of his career overall and that's why he quit and started coaching. And he binked twice online in big buy in events. I believe 25ks? I doubt that's all he bought in for.

I mean Gus Hansen is also a very good player but also one of the biggest losers ever online.

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Originally Posted by GreatBigRedOne
You certainly have alot of certainty about what your saying. I doubt Doug has more knowledge on this subject than you.
So you think Doug Polk's best year was when he stopped playing cash games and binked 1million in a tourney? That's not saying much for his poker ability if you believe that.

For the record I've watched a lot of Dog Pork's videos and they are very entertaining. Every street he says you can raise, call, or fold. Solid strat advice. He says he had 30% of himself in the one drop so I take him at his word.

Last edited by SimpleRick; 08-03-2020 at 07:55 PM.
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08-03-2020 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Yes I believe technically Jason Mo was the person who bought the runitoncepoker domain. But I'm also pretty sure he was an employee of upswingpoker at the time. Whether he was or not his relationship with the owner and Doug's defending the website as a joke makes Doug culpable in the cybersquatting.
false
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08-03-2020 , 09:10 PM
phil didnt even get mad about the cyber squatting if i recall.
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08-03-2020 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DontBanMePlz
false
What's false?

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Originally Posted by Justcalll
phil didnt even get mad about the cyber squatting if i recall.
Phil is next level zen. I doubt the guy gets mad about anything.
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08-03-2020 , 09:51 PM
everything that is quoted is false
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08-04-2020 , 09:41 AM
Rick I just googled cybersquatting,
here is the definition:

the practice of registering names, especially well-known company or brand names, as Internet domains, in the hope of reselling them at a profit.

Did anyone of Dougs guys register the domain with the intention of reselling it?

Not so sure about that one. You could say he is a trash talking angleshooter and a douche, like the guy in highschol that liked to take candy from the weaker opponents. but are you sure about he cybersquatting?

I thought its kind of a joke between tycoons as someone said. Immature yes.. funny? yes I guess.
Doug I think is actually a nice guy too, only his ego get the best of him sometimes.

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08-04-2020 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Rick I just googled cybersquatting,
here is the definition:

the practice of registering names, especially well-known company or brand names, as Internet domains, in the hope of reselling them at a profit.

Did anyone of Dougs guys register the domain with the intention of reselling it?

Not so sure about that one. You could say he is a trash talking angleshooter and a douche, but are you sure about he cybersquatting?

I thought its kind of a joke between tycoons as someone said. Immature yes.. funny? yes I guess. and Im only talking about the comment they left.
So if coca-cola bought pepsi dot com and just sat on it without trying to resell it you don't think that would constitute cybersquatting???

The fact that Doug Polk owned a competing business at the same time as one of his associates buys up a domain of his competitor makes it cybersquatting and trademark infringement. Why do you think they gave the website back?

Cybersquatting (also known as domain squatting), according to the United States federal law known as the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, is registering, trafficking in, or using an Internet domain name with bad faith intent to profit from the goodwill of a trademark belonging to someone else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticy...Protection_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_infringement
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08-04-2020 , 10:09 AM
I think they bought all kinds of domains, with the intention of using it themselves or reselling it.

We are talking abou this domain right? https://www.runitonce.com/

This is a hell of a good name for a poker site dont you think?

How come Galfond didnt register it? If that was his brand
he surely registered for a tradmark?

When? I think if Doug really owned it and Galfond didnt register it as a brand
he didnt have to give it to him, and that he actually was nice doing it.
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08-04-2020 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
So if coca-cola bought pepsi dot com and just sat on it without trying to resell it you don't think that would constitute cybersquatting???

The fact that Doug Polk owned a competing business at the same time as one of his associates buys up a domain of his competitor makes it cybersquatting and trademark infringement. Why do you think they gave the website back?

Cybersquatting (also known as domain squatting), according to the United States federal law known as the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, is registering, trafficking in, or using an Internet domain name with bad faith intent to profit from the goodwill of a trademark belonging to someone else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticy...Protection_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_infringement
Coca Cola or Pepsi can sue anyone for using their name brand. Even when they didnt buy the domain. Its call brand trademark. The TM or R you see in every logo means they have all rights to the name and spend a fortune of money to ensure nobody can use its name.

Im an only a little familiar with tradmarks, and I think it costs about 40-50k for international rights to a brand name. And it looks as Galfond didnt pay that at the time. I could be wrong of course.
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08-04-2020 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I think they bought all kinds of domains, with the intention of using it themselves or reselling it.

We are talking abou this domain right? https://www.runitonce.com/

This is a hell of a good name for a poker site dont you think?

How come Galfond didnt register it? If that was his brand
he surely registered for a tradmark?

When? I think if Doug really owned it and Galfond didnt register it as a brand
he didnt have to give it to him, and that he actually was nice doing it.
No Galfond always owned runitonce.com. Polk's crew bought runitoncepoker.com.

He wasn't "nice" giving the domain to runitonce. He probably realized it's bad press to own a competitor's domain name and insult him for no reason. Seems petty and douchey to me. But fine you can believe Polk did it out of the kindness in his heart. I disagree.

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Originally Posted by washoe
Coca Cola or Pepsi can sue anyone for using their name brand. Even when they didnt buy the domain. Its call brand trademark. The TM or R you see in every logo means they have all rights to the name and spend a fortune of money to ensure nobody can use its name.

Im an only a little familiar with tradmarks, and I think it costs about 40-50k for international rights to a brand name. And it looks as Galfond didnt pay that at the time. I could be wrong of course.
Yeah, you are wrong. It doesn't cost 50k to register a trademark. Not even close. There is no such thing as an "international trademark" you have to trademark a brand name in each country you plan to use it in.

So did Galfond trademark runitonce in the USA? I'd bet my life against a box of donuts that he did. Does it really matter in terms of whether or not Doug Polk is a massive douchebag? No, he's a douchebag.
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08-04-2020 , 11:31 AM
I honeslty dont know anything about this case. If you could link somethink like an article it would be much apreciated. Of course you could be right about everything.
I tried to register a brand name nationally and internationally and thats what the lawyers told me. Nationally is a few tousand dollars, but if you want the worldwide which is necessary for a company that wants to operate int. its around 40-50k according to my lawyers. That was around 10 years ago.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/piasilv.../#42f0eff8667c
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08-04-2020 , 11:56 AM
What a waste of a thread
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08-04-2020 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
But I'm also pretty sure [Jason Mo] was an employee of upswingpoker at the time.
LOOOOOLLLLLL
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08-04-2020 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
I can't seem to find any thread or discussion of the cybersquatting on 2p2. Maybe I'm not digging hard enough but I think it all got scrubbed. I even remember Mason Malmuth commenting that it wasn't cybersquatting because he wasn't trying to sell the domain or something ridiculously stupid like that. After Dutch Boyd was squatting on a 2p2 domain you'd think he'd know better. But Doug Polk does a lot of advertising on this website so he gets preferential treatment.
This paragraph is so inaccurate it's not worth commenting on.

Mason
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08-04-2020 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Im an only a little familiar with tradmarks
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08-04-2020 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
lol, well I am a little familiar with names and copyrights. A lot of people do the mistake and not secure the right to their brand name per copyright or trademark and hope everything goes well.

Simpy because it is a big investment. It only makes sense for businesses with budgets over 5M I would say to copyright their name worldwide.

We would have to know when what was secured by whom. Anything else is pure speculation.
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08-04-2020 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Trooper
I found one guy who is not afraid of either of these two....


The return of the KING

At min 1:30 he gives us a clue how he feels about the 25k hands.
That is the main problem with this match being vs. the very best.

I mean Daniel can call your exact hand you are holding live, but vs. Doug and his team who is the very best in NHUL what is that good for.

Doug even beat the best poker AI ever made if Im not mistaking:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnnav.../#7b3201b300b2

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08-04-2020 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
A lot of people do the mistake and not secure the right to their brand name per copyright
You're thinking of trademarks. Copyright doesn't need to be registered, it's inherent. The post you just wrote is your own intellectual property, and thus you own the copyright to it. You don't need to file any paperwork to secure those rights, but it might be useful to do so if you ever foresee it being disputed in court.
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08-04-2020 , 03:16 PM


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08-04-2020 , 04:24 PM
"It's official!"

Narrator: It wasn't.
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