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Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands) Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands)

10-31-2020 , 08:27 AM
You say experience is tough to beat, but Daniel has approximately zero experience playing online HU cash. Him being a live reg for an extra 15 yrs or whatever really doesn't do him any favours in a format like this.
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10-31-2020 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by isunkurbttlship
You say experience is tough to beat, but Daniel has approximately zero experience playing online HU cash. Him being a live reg for an extra 15 yrs or whatever really doesn't do him any favours in a format like this.
Live reads depends on someone who plays according to their own determination of what is best in a particular situation. IIUC gto players play according to a determination made by outside intelligence. So reading the player does you no good, unless he's nervous because gto told him to bluff.
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10-31-2020 , 10:10 AM
Listen guys. Dnegs wins here about 5% of the time. Maybe even less. All other discussions are like flat earthers trying to convince people earth has an edge. Lmao good luck betting on dnegs. He likely has no chance.
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10-31-2020 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dude45
where can i bet this in North america
Are there options? I couldn’t find any?
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10-31-2020 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by zedsdead
Are there options? I couldn’t find any?
When asked earlier in this thread the answer was in Canada, whatever that may mean.
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10-31-2020 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
Listen guys. Dnegs wins here about 5% of the time. Maybe even less. All other discussions are like flat earthers trying to convince people earth has an edge. Lmao good luck betting on dnegs. He likely has no chance.
I chuckled to myself the other day when Jonathan Little was giving one of his school-teacher lectures on YouTube about this. He was lecturing the audience on how 4-1 on DNegs is a good bet because, even though he expects Doug to win, 4-1 is great odds on something that will happen 25-35% of the time.
LOL, dude has no clue and should probably stop dishing out advice & start taking some.

This aint making it past 12.5k hands.
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10-31-2020 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
When asked earlier in this thread the answer was in Canada, whatever that may mean.
Can you not bet on pokershares in Canada?
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10-31-2020 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
Can you not bet on pokershares in Canada?
What? The answer to where one can bet on the challenge in North America was Canada. Canada is part of North America...
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10-31-2020 , 12:46 PM
Yes here in Canada you can bet it on Pokershares. For most itt the odds wont be what they're after.
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10-31-2020 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by freedom 35
Yes here in Canada you can bet it on Pokershares. For most itt the odds wont be what they're after.
1.17 sounds good to me
if only I could get confirmation that my money won't be locked up for 5 years I would bet rn
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10-31-2020 , 03:00 PM
According to the teaser on PokerGo, the duel will start live:

[Premiering Wednesday, November 4, at 8 pm ET] Daniel Negreanu and Doug Polk look to settle the score on High Stakes Feud as the two are set to play 25,000 hands of heads-up $200/$400 No-Limit Hold'em. Negreanu and Polk will face-off live from the PokerGO Studio for the first 200 hands, before moving online to continue the match and attempt to settle the score in High Stakes Feud.
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10-31-2020 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
Listen guys. Dnegs wins here about 5% of the time. Maybe even less. All other discussions are like flat earthers trying to convince people earth has an edge. Lmao good luck betting on dnegs. He likely has no chance.
20/1 at best? I think you could get your net worth in action if you were laying this price.
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10-31-2020 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pontylad
I'd like to believe you but 'guyfrommichigan' says anything other than 50/50 is crazy.
Hahaha oh man.

In fairness, I don't think he thought that so much as he thought Polk's odds as a favorite on PokerShares were absurdly high. And I lean closer to him that Polk is not necessarily as big a favorite as people think.

I posted this somewhere else, but the analogy I make is that this is the equivalent of Steve Kerr challenging Russell Westbrook to a three-point contest. Kerr was once among the very best at that particular skill, but he's been out of the game for a while. Westbrook is still active, and a great overall player, but three-point shooting is not exactly a strength.

(Okay, Steve Kerr is maybe too old. Perhaps someone like Ray Allen. But you get the point.)
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10-31-2020 , 04:24 PM
BP hyping up his app more and discussing solvers / argueing with a oldschool HU reg who has wrote papers on ai/solvers










Also:

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10-31-2020 , 04:25 PM
I think Kerr would still beat Russ even without playing for many years

Ray Allen would crush Russ
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10-31-2020 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
I think Kerr would still beat Russ even without playing for many years

Ray Allen would crush Russ
Ha, nice.

The real question is whether Negreanu is the heads-up equivalent to Westbrook, who – as you are clearly noting – is routinely among the worst three-point shooters in the NBA among qualifiers. I also honestly have no idea where DNegs rates when it comes to HUNL. (He probably doesn't know, either.) Maybe he's more akin to Kawhi Leonard. And truth be told, he plays it so rarely that the best comparison might just be DeAndre Jordan.

Obviously, it's hard to make a direct analogy between poker and three-point shooting, because the latter has a physical component that deteriorates more with age.

One of my co-workers led the NBA in three-point percentage back in 1990-91. He's now a coach, so he's still around the game. A few years ago, he got invited to some old-timer's reunion for the final game at Sacramento's Sleep Train Arena. When I asked him the next day if there was any video of the shooting contest, he laughed and said something like "I hope not, I was terrible... I don't have it anymore."

In fairness, he had to shoot in street clothes, he probably had little to no preparation, the NBA arc is farther out than the college one he's become accustomed to, plus he'll always compare his skills to the 27-year-old version of himself. (The "terrible" version still would school most people in a game of HORSE.) But I'm guessing if Coach Les took on one of his current players on his own team right now, he'd be a huge underdog.

But back to poker...

Ultimately, the key X factor in all of this is that they both have had time to prepare. Unlike an athlete, Polk has a much better chance to return to his previous level. (Let's not forget, either, Doug is only rewinding a few years.) So indeed, I choose Polk without hesitation but I also agree with that Michigan dude that the price is a tad off.
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10-31-2020 , 06:11 PM
Daniel in action, 2 tables 25/50 against Jebronlames1 WSOP.
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10-31-2020 , 06:51 PM
This thread is now about basketball. Carry on.
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10-31-2020 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SrslySirius
I don't think this advice is helpful when certain users dominate threads, make it about themselves, and have a bunch of people responding to them.

SageDonkey for example could single-handedly ruin threads and that's not something that would be remedied by simply ignoring him.
Blocking posters is a good way to go, in the past I sometimes got involved in series of disagreements with individual posters and sometimes others would say "sort it out by PM rather than here in this thread". That is good advice, nowadays if someone criticises me I will either respond by PM to save wasting other readers time seeing a private argument they have no interest in, or just block the other poster if I see they are the sort just to pick silly disagreements for the sake of it, or just ignore the criticism as life is too short to worry about what some people think.
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10-31-2020 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
This thread is now about basketball. Carry on.
It continues to be about basketball. Daniel is now playing EarvinMagic on WSOP. lol
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10-31-2020 , 08:16 PM


Magic opens Button, Daniel 3b
Flop D cbet and Magic raised, D flat.
Check, Check on turn.
River, Check and Magic shoves 4100 into 2700 and gets called.
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10-31-2020 , 08:21 PM
How did Dnegs do against Jebron
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10-31-2020 , 08:23 PM
I didn't see the very end but probably lost like 1 bullet 5k.
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10-31-2020 , 09:21 PM
They have been playing only 1 table and Daniel is up pretty good now. I am not a HU player but this seems like a weird raise on the river given the way the hand was played?

Magic open, CC on flop, Daniel 75% turn bet gets called/ D checks river and CR a less than half pot bet to 3.7x.

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10-31-2020 , 10:25 PM
75% turn is pretty weird to begin with, not very gto
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