Doug Lee shoots major angle at Planet Hollywood $500k guarantee - Page 2 - Poker News

Re-read the story: he had like 7 stacks of 40 chips. Imagine trying to count this stack accross the table. Sure its your responsibility to eye stacks, but if you ask and Villain gives a wildly inflated figure, this can certainly affect your decision.

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10-13-2014 , 03:19 PM

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R*R

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Originally Posted by Bageled

It's all about perception. It is up to whomever the action is on to either count the raise / chips or get a count.

Maybe he thought he had 2 million? Why didn't you ask for an official count?

Gobbo already said the big stack folded before he could ask for a count.
Notwithstanding, it was still a scummy angle.

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10-13-2014 , 03:19 PM

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scroosko

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Originally Posted by Pyrochaos

hi doug

were you laughing while typing this 6 year old joke?

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10-13-2014 , 03:21 PM

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Pyrochaos

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Originally Posted by scroosko

were you laughing while typing this 6 year old joke?

hi doug

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10-13-2014 , 03:22 PM

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BulltexasATM

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Definately angled because he wanted to go heads up with the smaller stack. If he had AK and beat 55 I'm guessing he hit an A or K and his hand would have also most likely beaten the big stacks so he might have ultimately angled himself out of massive chip stack. Hopefully karma got him and he didn't win the tourney.

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10-13-2014 , 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by doublejoker

From another 2p2 poster who was there;

I was there. I dont even know who Doug Lee is, other than some huge NVG thread I have never followed.

It happened very fast, fwiw, all in-stride of the poker hand. And all is true to what Jimmy said, except a bit of this:
Where several said, "WTF Doug, dont you call anyone a nerd here. If anyone at this table should call someone something, it shouldnt be you." and "how many chips you got Doug? <Doug gives some number> Is that <number> or is that amount inflated by 50% always?"

I believe Jimmy was busy talking with the floor when these comments rained down on Doug.

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Originally Posted by Joe Tall

I was the 2p2er that was there.

What we have to all realize, that angles like this are really bad for the game. If Doug is notorious for such angles (note: I dont know him or what that other thread is about), you have to think of how many angles he his shot on recreational players?

He was at a table of educated poker players, and still got away with it. The amount of angles he's won over the recreational players that have gone un-reported must be massive if he's pull this $h1t off at a final table full of sharp, experienced players.

Such angles need to be policed, and a no-tolerance policy enforced. It will be better for poker in the long run. Most people play for entertainment, such bull $h1t gives them the opposite experience.

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Originally Posted by numberonedonk

Players responsibility to know the chips counts and get count verified by dealer. Not really an angle IMO. If it wasn't Doug I doubt people would make a big deal about it.

I kinda got the impression that Joe Tall is pretty objective in this matter, sure he have seen his thread in 2+2 but never really read it so can't really agree with you on this one numberonedonk.

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10-13-2014 , 03:40 PM

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TooCuriousso1

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"im doug lee. i can do whatever i want."

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10-13-2014 , 03:41 PM

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SuperSwag

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That pronunciation seems odd. Usually people just say all in, and don't add the specific amount. This indicates the angle because he was trying to manipulate the other player. This just seems really strange. Personally I'd want a count if it was a final table and huge decision.

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10-13-2014 , 04:09 PM

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If OP is correct, that is an amazing angle. Prolly my fault for not being smart enough but I would never have thought to say something like that in hopes of getting people to fold. That is so out of line.

Rly bad if true.

And obv 5* thread.

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10-13-2014 , 04:10 PM

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This is a case where reputation precedes, so the other player should have been wary. After the hand the floor should have imposed some penalty, even if only a nominal penalty, to acknowledge the angle.

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10-13-2014 , 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GrimeRat420

Youre wrong. He intentionally mis announced his chip count to induce a fold, this is an undebatable angle. Doesnt matter who did it, just doug is notorious for these things. But yeh you should obviously ask for a count if youre not experienced enough to eye up his stack yourself.

I think you're wrong

I see recs and pros all the time say they have 50k instead of 54k (or vice versa, say that they have 53k when they have 51), is this an angle as well then? because if so, then the majority of people who play are angle shooting scumbags.

It's the players responsibility to get the exact amount.

Last edited by pokerproplaya08; 10-13-2014 at 04:16 PM. Reason: obv doug is still a toolbag

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10-13-2014 , 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Tall

He was at a table of educated poker players, and still got away with it.

Poker has bigger problems than Doug Lee if a $500 tournament is stocked full of pros.

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10-13-2014 , 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerproplaya08

I see recs and pros all the time say they have 50k instead of 54k (or vice versa, say that they have 53k when they have 51), is this an angle as well then?

And how often do you see them saying they have 75 K when they have 54?

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10-13-2014 , 04:28 PM

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PraguePoker

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You have to admire Doug for stepping up his game. I was concerned that the NVG mega "tool box" thread was such an embarrassment to him that he reexamined his life and decided to go straight.

This latest incident is a great indication he has not only kept the faith, but he is upping his game. Announcing out loud a bogus chip count is both bold and creative. Bravo, Doug, bravo.

Still, not sure why this deserves its own thread, however. All things Doug related should stay within the toolbox thread, please! The last thing we need is 35 separate threads on the latest Doug incident.

Hopefully this is a sign the lid is off the box and Doug is back in form.

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10-13-2014 , 04:29 PM

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I always ask the dealer for a count no matter how obvious the call, largely because I want the dealer to bring the chips in and make them part of the pot to discourage anyone from grabbing them back and pocketing them if I call (which I have seen twice).

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10-13-2014 , 04:39 PM

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He wasn't simply rounding up/down, or estimating. He was intentionally deceiving. If another player did it intentionally to deceive, then yes, of course it's an angle.

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10-13-2014 , 04:41 PM

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AllBlackDan

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Jimmy Fricker vs Doug Lee in a cage one time!

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10-13-2014 , 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerproplaya08

I partially disagree here Zo. When i say "i have about 55k" but have 50-60k its nbd, and quite different from "allin 55k" but its actually 40k. The difference in intent is usually clear. But mistakes do happen, so of course best to ask for count if u cant eye count it.

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10-13-2014 , 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

And how often do you see them saying they have 75 K when they have 54?

I've seen it , I've also seen the other end where they have 74 and say 58 then end up having the nuts n doubling (happened to me during a rather big tournament years ago). Since then, I've learned that its my responsibility to get an exact count if I want. Which is what I do.

He obv was trying to get the guy to fold but if its as clear as OP story says, then the guy could've see it was less. But, as someone pointed out, he mucked pretty quickly. Who exactly got hurt in this particular situation?

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10-13-2014 , 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerproplaya08

I see recs and pros all the time say they have 50k instead of 54k (or vice versa, say that they have 53k when they have 51)

Solid comparison.

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10-13-2014 , 05:03 PM

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prickly00

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It would be more of an angle if someone not in the pot opens their mouth and chimes in with a comment about how much it is or isnt. Stay out of it, if you folded.
600+1.4=2m in pot-could be stated that way. toolbox yes, but ive heard euros and easterns state things in ways that have to be decoded.
The way its written BB folded promptly so it wasnt a long think. If the BB asked for an exact count this thread doesnt start. Player to act protects the action.

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10-13-2014 , 05:06 PM

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Zajebisty

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Scumbags gonna scumbag.

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10-13-2014 , 05:19 PM

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JohnCleese

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It's an angle. Not sure whether it's 'major', though.

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10-13-2014 , 05:21 PM

#49

jesse123

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I played at a $1/2 game where a guy intending to call pre-flop said "two million" before putting his $2 in the pot. I wonder if that was Doug Lee.

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10-13-2014 , 05:23 PM

#50

mchine

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What should the punishment be for this "angleshoot"?

If a new guy committed the same offense because he was new and miscounted his stacks, what should the punishment be then?

Kessler and Gobbo: Explain

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