Originally Posted by zkg

Originally Posted by Doug Lee

Here is a bad beat situation that happened to me which I learned from at the $25,000 Bellagio Five Star WPT Championship in April/06.

On day 1, I had played well to get into a good chip lead, betting with my good hands and making good reads. With about 190 players left out of a field of over 600 players, I was among the chip leaders with close to $200,000 in chips at the beginning of day 3.

A player that I had not seen before and not had a chance to see play at all, raised under the gun and I smooth called with pocket 10’s in late postion. I did not want to reraise with this hand as I had not seen how this player played - he could have a higher pocket pair than I did. As he had the same amount of chips that I did (about 10k less) I was hoping to catch a 10 of the flop and get a lot of chips off him if I hit my set. The magical flop of 10h, 7h, 2c came and I had made the nuts so far. He led out with a huge bet of 18,000 and I raised him another $20,000 as I never slow play a set with a flush draw on board and to see where this player was at in his hand. I figured if he had a pocket pair greater that 10’s, or a flush or straight draw (8,9) a he would probably call or reraise me if he thought I was on a bluff.

He did indeed reraise me all-in and it was an easy call for me. This player had gone all-in with an 8d, 6d and risked his tournament life with a gutshot draw for a 9. I was a big favorite to win the pot (84%) and return as one of the chip leaders again for day 3. My dream flop became a nightmare when he caught the 9h on the river and I was severely crippled in chips. My mistake on the hand was that I did not reraise him all-in (when I saw 2 hearts on the flop) after he bet and thus creating the opportunity for a bad beat. Had I moved all-in on the flop, it is unlikely he would call with a gutshot, and I would still been alive in the tournament. As we were also pretty close to the money where 100th place paid approximately $45,000 (1st paid $3.7 million!), I feel he wouldn’t have risked his tournament life at this point, but giving him the opportunity to go all-in on me and gain the fold equity was an error on my part.

Originally Posted by thorleif

Originally Posted by Doug Lee
Here is a bad beat situation that happened to me which I learned from at the $25,000 Bellagio Five Star WPT Championship in April/06.

On day 1, I had played well to get into a good chip lead, betting with my good hands and making good reads. With about 190 players left out of a field of over 600 players, I was among the chip leaders with close to $200,000 in chips at the beginning of day 3.

A player that I had not seen before and not had a chance to see play at all, raised under the gun and I smooth called with pocket 10’s in late postion. I did not want to reraise with this hand as I had not seen how this player played - he could have a higher pocket pair than I did. As he had the same amount of chips that I did (about 10k less) I was hoping to catch a 10 of the flop and get a lot of chips off him if I hit my set. The magical flop of 10h, 7h, 2c came and I had made the nuts so far. He led out with a huge bet of 18,000 and I raised him another $20,000 as I never slow play a set with a flush draw on board and to see where this player was at in his hand. I figured if he had a pocket pair greater that 10’s, or a flush or straight draw (8,9) a he would probably call or reraise me if he thought I was on a bluff.

He did indeed reraise me all-in and it was an easy call for me. This player had gone all-in with an 8d, 6d and risked his tournament life with a gutshot draw for a 9. I was a big favorite to win the pot (84%) and return as one of the chip leaders again for day 3. My dream flop became a nightmare when he caught the 9h on the river and I was severely crippled in chips. My mistake on the hand was that I did not reraise him all-in (when I saw 2 hearts on the flop) after he bet and thus creating the opportunity for a bad beat. Had I moved all-in on the flop, it is unlikely he would call with a gutshot, and I would still been alive in the tournament. As we were also pretty close to the money where 100th place paid approximately $45,000 (1st paid $3.7 million!), I feel he wouldn’t have risked his tournament life at this point, but giving him the opportunity to go all-in on me and gain the fold equity was an error on my part.

Originally Posted by basebaldy

At the risk of bragpost accusations, I feel obligated to share a few shining moments from the past few days:

Setting: $2500 Venetian deep stack ME
*there is a will 'the thrill' operated last longer with a $23.1k prize pool

Late Day 2:

4 tables left, 6 of us still in the last longer. Douglas and another guy approach me at my seat about chopping the last longer. I have like $500k which is above average.
I ask what everyone's chip count is and doug says we're all about even. I ask what his exact chip count is, and he replys: "$180k, but i just doubled up, and anything can happen."

Day 3:

I come in with a sizable chiplead with 13 left (4 still in LL). Doug approaches me as i'm unbagging my chips and says,
"Me and the guys from the last longer were talking, and we think we should all take at least $2500 out of the last longer. It's the buy-in back, and it would be good karma for you."

When we get to 3 handed we agree to stop the clock and look at chip chop numbers. Doug runs the numbers on his own and comes up with ~$15k more to himself than the official floor chip chop. At this point I tell the floorman to restart the clock.

During heads up play I have him AIPF for the win twice (A8 v 77, K6 v AQ) and lose both. I finally widdle him down under 14 BB's again and rip K5 from the button and he calls with AQ. This time I bink. He's 15 feet away getting paid out, and some blogger wants a picture with the trophy/chips/cards. Douglas leaves the payout desk, peels his AQ out of the muck, and says lets get a picture of both of us with our hole cards. Up til this point I had done my best to ignore doug being doug, but after 4 hours of heads up with Dougie I semi-rudely declined.

Originally Posted by Doug Lee's Shrink

Nah, his actual mistake was entering the $25,000 Bellagio Five Star WPT Championship

Originally Posted by goshmr5

This would have been a different story if the guy was short stacked (I would not have had
to go all-in) and a bad beat like that would not have hurt my chip stack. Eventually, with
the blinds and antes being so big, I went all-in with my Ac,6c and got called by Tony G
with pocket 10’s in the big blind and was knocked out of the tournament. This was a
great poker lesson for me, and taught me to not to be too greedy in extracting the most
amount of chips out a person, especially someone with a similar amount of chips,
opening myself to a crushing bad beat

Originally Posted by technologic

oh hai

Originally Posted by ToTheFelt

Originally Posted by B840

Like I already said, this is getting really annoying. Chainsaw, I have played with you before and you were nothing but courteous at the table. I don't know why you choose now to make fun of me. I know I might have said or done some things in the past that were inappropriate and I apologize for that. I hoping we can let bygones be bygones and let this thread die down already. Again, I'd really appreciate it. See you on the felt.

Originally Posted by doublejoker

I didnt realize Doug had only 100 posts; sorry if I offended you in any way doug

Originally Posted by slatur

lol i hope this thread never ever dies. i have played with so many angleshooting scumbags like you doug. dont feel the least bit bad for you.

Originally Posted by B840

Like I said, i have done some things in the past that I am not pround of. All I can do is learn and move forward. Poker is something that I truely love and I would hate to be exiled from the poker community. I have met a lot of my fans over the years and look forward to meeting more of you. For those of you that I have offended, I'm sorry. Can we please just bury the hatchet? See ya on the felt!!