Don't you get the feeling that almost all poker players are getting broke?
10-19-2010
, 08:48 AM
10-19-2010
, 08:55 AM
10-19-2010
, 09:10 AM
Hi,
I'm a close friend of CursedByaGypsy, and I've been playing with him in the same home game for two years now.
I replied to him personally and he wanted me to post my opinion here, so here goes.
While I think he has some valid points, I think what he's proving is that "it's impossible to win long term in poker without extreme self control, honesty with yourself and controllable ego" not that" it's impossible to win in poker long term"
For me, where home games are concerned, I've been winning consistently for two years. I have my bad stretches, but come back. My average win per session is still going up after 200 recorded sessions, while I'm mostly playing the same stakes.
My losing games are when I go to casinos, because even though the players are weaker than the home games I play, I'm not comfortable with the stakes so it puts me off my game. which to me proves that, it's about self control, limiting ego, and playing stakes you are comfortable with and bankrolled for.
My friend Cursed, is a very good online tournament player. I've watched him and followed him for a while. I think that he would be a consistent winning online tourney player, but thats just my opinion. ( what do i know) His kryptonite though is self control. Taking his winnings into cash games which are way too big especially as he's a better tourney player, or buying into tournaments that are too big for his online bankroll. I think he keeps going back to taking the big risk probably because it gets boring and he wants the rush. Grinding is not in his vocabulary
Anyway examples of players who will not go broke
Ivey obviously unless he has a major breakdown, but at his current level
Greenstein
Lisandro. Read about him( he takes a big percentage of his profits and sinks it into real estate which he rents out) and where he can't touch it
lots of them do this by the way.
they sink the money into investments they can't touch because they know they're degenerates so while they might go broke regarding cash, they know they have a guaranteed nest egg, which produces regular income, i.e. they won't suddenly start sleeping on the side walk.
Remember in a High Stakes episode when Matasow said to someone " the big lesson is not to bluff the rich ones. they'll call. then pointed to Negranu and a few of the others on the table" So if we're using quotes we listen to on tv, this to me indicates they are not all broke of course.
I'm a close friend of CursedByaGypsy, and I've been playing with him in the same home game for two years now.
I replied to him personally and he wanted me to post my opinion here, so here goes.
While I think he has some valid points, I think what he's proving is that "it's impossible to win long term in poker without extreme self control, honesty with yourself and controllable ego" not that" it's impossible to win in poker long term"
For me, where home games are concerned, I've been winning consistently for two years. I have my bad stretches, but come back. My average win per session is still going up after 200 recorded sessions, while I'm mostly playing the same stakes.
My losing games are when I go to casinos, because even though the players are weaker than the home games I play, I'm not comfortable with the stakes so it puts me off my game. which to me proves that, it's about self control, limiting ego, and playing stakes you are comfortable with and bankrolled for.
My friend Cursed, is a very good online tournament player. I've watched him and followed him for a while. I think that he would be a consistent winning online tourney player, but thats just my opinion. ( what do i know) His kryptonite though is self control. Taking his winnings into cash games which are way too big especially as he's a better tourney player, or buying into tournaments that are too big for his online bankroll. I think he keeps going back to taking the big risk probably because it gets boring and he wants the rush. Grinding is not in his vocabulary
Anyway examples of players who will not go broke
Ivey obviously unless he has a major breakdown, but at his current level
Greenstein
Lisandro. Read about him( he takes a big percentage of his profits and sinks it into real estate which he rents out) and where he can't touch it
lots of them do this by the way.
they sink the money into investments they can't touch because they know they're degenerates so while they might go broke regarding cash, they know they have a guaranteed nest egg, which produces regular income, i.e. they won't suddenly start sleeping on the side walk.
Remember in a High Stakes episode when Matasow said to someone " the big lesson is not to bluff the rich ones. they'll call. then pointed to Negranu and a few of the others on the table" So if we're using quotes we listen to on tv
, this to me indicates they are not all broke of course.
10-19-2010
, 12:38 PM
Quote:
Hi,
I'm a close friend of CursedByaGypsy, and I've been playing with him in the same home game for two years now.
I replied to him personally and he wanted me to post my opinion here, so here goes.
While I think he has some valid points, I think what he's proving is that "it's impossible to win long term in poker without extreme self control, honesty with yourself and controllable ego" not that" it's impossible to win in poker long term"
For me, where home games are concerned, I've been winning consistently for two years. I have my bad stretches, but come back. My average win per session is still going up after 200 recorded sessions, while I'm mostly playing the same stakes.
My losing games are when I go to casinos, because even though the players are weaker than the home games I play, I'm not comfortable with the stakes so it puts me off my game. which to me proves that, it's about self control, limiting ego, and playing stakes you are comfortable with and bankrolled for.
My friend Cursed, is a very good online tournament player. I've watched him and followed him for a while. I think that he would be a consistent winning online tourney player, but thats just my opinion. ( what do i know) His kryptonite though is self control. Taking his winnings into cash games which are way too big especially as he's a better tourney player, or buying into tournaments that are too big for his online bankroll. I think he keeps going back to taking the big risk probably because it gets boring and he wants the rush. Grinding is not in his vocabulary
Anyway examples of players who will not go broke
Ivey obviously unless he has a major breakdown, but at his current level
Greenstein
Lisandro. Read about him( he takes a big percentage of his profits and sinks it into real estate which he rents out) and where he can't touch it
lots of them do this by the way.
they sink the money into investments they can't touch because they know they're degenerates so while they might go broke regarding cash, they know they have a guaranteed nest egg, which produces regular income, i.e. they won't suddenly start sleeping on the side walk.
Remember in a High Stakes episode when Matasow said to someone " the big lesson is not to bluff the rich ones. they'll call. then pointed to Negranu and a few of the others on the table" So if we're using quotes we listen to on tv, this to me indicates they are not all broke of course.
I'm a close friend of CursedByaGypsy, and I've been playing with him in the same home game for two years now.
I replied to him personally and he wanted me to post my opinion here, so here goes.
While I think he has some valid points, I think what he's proving is that "it's impossible to win long term in poker without extreme self control, honesty with yourself and controllable ego" not that" it's impossible to win in poker long term"
For me, where home games are concerned, I've been winning consistently for two years. I have my bad stretches, but come back. My average win per session is still going up after 200 recorded sessions, while I'm mostly playing the same stakes.
My losing games are when I go to casinos, because even though the players are weaker than the home games I play, I'm not comfortable with the stakes so it puts me off my game. which to me proves that, it's about self control, limiting ego, and playing stakes you are comfortable with and bankrolled for.
My friend Cursed, is a very good online tournament player. I've watched him and followed him for a while. I think that he would be a consistent winning online tourney player, but thats just my opinion. ( what do i know) His kryptonite though is self control. Taking his winnings into cash games which are way too big especially as he's a better tourney player, or buying into tournaments that are too big for his online bankroll. I think he keeps going back to taking the big risk probably because it gets boring and he wants the rush. Grinding is not in his vocabulary
Anyway examples of players who will not go broke
Ivey obviously unless he has a major breakdown, but at his current level
Greenstein
Lisandro. Read about him( he takes a big percentage of his profits and sinks it into real estate which he rents out) and where he can't touch it
lots of them do this by the way.
they sink the money into investments they can't touch because they know they're degenerates so while they might go broke regarding cash, they know they have a guaranteed nest egg, which produces regular income, i.e. they won't suddenly start sleeping on the side walk.
Remember in a High Stakes episode when Matasow said to someone " the big lesson is not to bluff the rich ones. they'll call. then pointed to Negranu and a few of the others on the table" So if we're using quotes we listen to on tv
, this to me indicates they are not all broke of course.
10-19-2010
, 01:31 PM
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Having only read a few paragraphs of your post cursed, and having never played a big tournament in vegas, i can't comment on what you might or might not have seen. But i will say this, if i had money and i mean the kind of money that would actually turn some heads. i would not be walking around vegas with it in my pockets. I live in KS and we had an old lady get followed into the bathroom where she was promptly hit over the head with a hammer for a few thousand that she had just won on a slot. so looking like you don't have money may be a good way to get left alone. Another thing is when you sit a poker table for hours on end its nice to be comfortable so flip flops might be the way to go. as for whether someone is broke or not. i don't know, but poker is still after all gambling and some people do have a problem with it whether you're a pro poker player or joe nobody. So i wouldn't judge someone you only see walk by without being able to really talk to them or know what's going on.
james
james
A prime example is i see a guy always playing 1/2, he wont move up to 2/5, he sits there and grinds 1/2 all day, playing top 10 hands, and making power poker hoyt plays only.
He is literally wearing a cheap hat, ugly glasses, full beard, and cheap walmart denims hiked up to his nipples. I always thought he was a broke ass older grinder.
Then i start to learn that he is one of the heaviest blackjack players in the casino, i see him one day walk over to 1/2, with 2 racks, over 8k in the racks, talking to another guy how he was down 3k, but he came back and did "okish". Now this may not seem alot to ppl, but in a small canadian casino, it is, our highest stakes of poker are 5/10.
Anyways. I sit there wearing $150 jeans, a $400 leather coat, $120 shoes, my underwear are literally more expensive then his jeans.
which is all standard stuff, i basically have a ton of clothes and i never look at the price. So yea i look pretty well off, but im sitting here broke right now.
Id have to say that, this scrubby older man, who looks "broke" is a hell of a lot cooler then me.
altho, he doesn't get any women. I still would give up girls for money/gambling...ya that sounds crazy, but idc.
moral of the story.....some guys dont give a **** how they look, cause they have wives at home and kids, and once you have fish on your plate for life, are you still gonna go buy new shiny tackle/reels/boats when you no longer need fish? *sound analogy here lol
10-19-2010
, 04:44 PM
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This is a good post. Nowdays in casinos its really hard to judge somebody's wealth from how they look.
A prime example is i see a guy always playing 1/2, he wont move up to 2/5, he sits there and grinds 1/2 all day, playing top 10 hands, and making power poker hoyt plays only.
He is literally wearing a cheap hat, ugly glasses, full beard, and cheap walmart denims hiked up to his nipples. I always thought he was a broke ass older grinder.
Then i start to learn that he is one of the heaviest blackjack players in the casino, i see him one day walk over to 1/2, with 2 racks, over 8k in the racks, talking to another guy how he was down 3k, but he came back and did "okish". Now this may not seem alot to ppl, but in a small canadian casino, it is, our highest stakes of poker are 5/10.
Anyways. I sit there wearing $150 jeans, a $400 leather coat, $120 shoes, my underwear are literally more expensive then his jeans.
which is all standard stuff, i basically have a ton of clothes and i never look at the price. So yea i look pretty well off, but im sitting here broke right now.
Id have to say that, this scrubby older man, who looks "broke" is a hell of a lot cooler then me.
altho, he doesn't get any women. I still would give up girls for money/gambling...ya that sounds crazy, but idc.
moral of the story.....some guys dont give a **** how they look, cause they have wives at home and kids, and once you have fish on your plate for life, are you still gonna go buy new shiny tackle/reels/boats when you no longer need fish? *sound analogy here lol
A prime example is i see a guy always playing 1/2, he wont move up to 2/5, he sits there and grinds 1/2 all day, playing top 10 hands, and making power poker hoyt plays only.
He is literally wearing a cheap hat, ugly glasses, full beard, and cheap walmart denims hiked up to his nipples. I always thought he was a broke ass older grinder.
Then i start to learn that he is one of the heaviest blackjack players in the casino, i see him one day walk over to 1/2, with 2 racks, over 8k in the racks, talking to another guy how he was down 3k, but he came back and did "okish". Now this may not seem alot to ppl, but in a small canadian casino, it is, our highest stakes of poker are 5/10.
Anyways. I sit there wearing $150 jeans, a $400 leather coat, $120 shoes, my underwear are literally more expensive then his jeans.
which is all standard stuff, i basically have a ton of clothes and i never look at the price. So yea i look pretty well off, but im sitting here broke right now.
Id have to say that, this scrubby older man, who looks "broke" is a hell of a lot cooler then me.
altho, he doesn't get any women. I still would give up girls for money/gambling...ya that sounds crazy, but idc.
moral of the story.....some guys dont give a **** how they look, cause they have wives at home and kids, and once you have fish on your plate for life, are you still gonna go buy new shiny tackle/reels/boats when you no longer need fish? *sound analogy here lol
10-19-2010
, 05:27 PM
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, 01:25 PM
