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Originally Posted by anilyzer
yeah... Op makes some observations, which are interesting, and I'm sure there is some truth to some of it. It is generally true that a lot of well-known tournament players have bad bankroll management, need to be backed, have gambling problems and other addictions, etc etc. I mean, the Matusow book, the Stuey Ungar story, etc etc that stuff is not fiction.
But what I don't like is OP's attitude or something... what point is he trying to prove? Ok, so he saw some down on their luck tournament players or something... or noticed that there is not that much of a line between famous and not famous players or whatever... so his thesis is supposed to be that nobody can win at poker? that all poker is luck and all players degenerates? ultimately, he is trying to say that there is not that much skill or knowledge difference between any players, that the game is just luck, and is therefore trying to soothe his own ego or something. this just sounds like a beginner player, an arrogant one at that, probably with family money, that just expects to win. But he can't stand that it takes a long time to figure things out and improve... at bottom he doesn't like the game. he is making excuses just like a loser.
I mean, winners and losers, that's what it's about, right? Character. And this big post about how all the big players are losers, and the why and what-for and all that, just sounds like a big FU and farewell speech or whatever. Just translate the whole OP as "I'm leaving; nobody wins and they're all stupid and who wants to play with you anyways. you'll probably all lose, it's all just luck, and even if you think you're good you're just lucky and you're all just losers anyways. goodbye!!"
am I right?
Hey,
Well you are partly right about a few things. But first of all, let me just tell you that I love poker. I love the thrill, I love sitting on the tables while mingling with other players, I love playing cards. I've been playing too long now, and I've had my ups and downs. I've won $55k in one day and lost it the following week. Just last week I won $4k and lost it the same day, and what I noticed is that I do have bankroll management problems and I thought I was a rare breed until I went to Vegas.
Maybe I was naive before I went in thinking that these players were absolutely glamorous and I was living in this dream that one day I could make it big in the poker world. In fact, I don't need the money. I'm from a very wealthy family and we've got lots of assets/businesses and the main reason I wanted to do well at poker is for the fame first (being a well known bracelet winner) and for the money second.
In fact, if I was chip leader on the final table of the Main Event and somebody offered to give me, say, 6th place money and the bracelet and I give him top prize, I'll probably take it! I don't know, maybe if I'm actually on the final table I wouldn't because that's the feeling I'm getting right now.
I actually left Vegas up a ton, and was happy with my win but wasn't happy with the state of gamblers. I thought I'd see something completely different. I've become a realist and it's quite obvious that most players are losing players. Side gambling or not, they just seem like they've got money issues. Some people are okay about it (Matusow, Bellande) some people hide it.
This isn't a farewell post. It's merely an observation and I thought I'd share it with you guys that's all.
I don't know why there's a lot of 'hate' on this forum. I was simply asking the question "don't you get the feeling?"
I actually want people to convince me otherwise because like I said I love poker, but from all the poker playing people I know, they end up in debt or just on the brink of it.
Thanks