Would it not be a better idea to all agree to play on a competitor site for a day or more?

ya but games would be tougher

I haven't read the whole thread, but in case it wasn't mentioned before:

Not to be a downer or anything, but the same action was made when they changed the rake system from "Contributed" to "Dealt", a bunch of players opened tables and sat out. Their response was to limit the number of tables those players could open, and so they solved the problem. If you wanted to be able to open more than one table, as any grinder would, you had to promise that you wouldn't do it again. Nothing changed.

Me personally I don't like the way they are heading, it looks to me that they are a money hungry company that don't care about the game or players at all. It's all about the profit, while I understand their side of viewing things, just having invested 4 Billion+ and wanting to be on the black ASAP, it is still a ****ty thing to do, but this happens all the time when there is a near Monopoly.

I sure hope Amaya races to New Jersey quickly, otherwise we Americans won't be able to participate. And believe me, we'd LOVE to participate in this sitout. We've been sitting out since April 15, 2011 so we're more ready than anyone for a sitout. Thanks Preet and you DOJerks!

So how come Isai and Son didn't do it when they had that same monopoly?

It's not the players fault that these Amaya ******s didn't have the amount of money they paid for Stars and had to borrow it from the lowest scum on earth, the banksters... Face it, poker is over for good, this was the last nail. The Golden Goose is dead, long live Amaya! Good luck getting your billions (plus interest) back, you Amaya fools.

And thanks for returning our funds so promptly, Isai. You guys were the best. See ya!

It's a bit different when people you look up to are sitting out ( big name pros) then some random ( I don't like the sitting out idea, not playing makes more sense). Also I think creating a website explaining the situation intelligently to fish ( not saying ZOMG I'm making less money now) and having everyone have that website as their logo is a pretty good idea. Or when Amaya bans that you can just have people type that in chat when they first sit down.

90% of the Poker Players don't have the courage (or big pair of balls) to sitout or don't even open the Pokerstars Software, almost everyone who is protesting right now on this thread will play November 5th, and that's why, us, the players don't have any force in the Poker industry, we are just a bunch of idiots who talk online and don't do ****.

People don't realize the power of an angry mob, just stop playing for 1 week only, and send an email protesting to PokerStars, imagine if thousand of players do this, just imagine. But no, some fat kids without girlfriends or life can't stop playing Poker! Shame on you!

The message this thread sends to Amaya is that the grinders on Amaya sites feel that they have no good alternatives to go to, so Amaya need not fear competition right now.

And so NO PROTEST WILL EVER WORK. No courage, no organization, nothing will ever work. Until they have to fear you packing up and LEAVING, they're not going to listen. They have no reason to listen.

what everyone should do is a week without playing on stars
without logging in 1 week
not 1 day, 1 day they lose some money..but they can take it

Pokerstars owes none of you anything. Don't play ever if you don;t like it. It's their business, they can run it how they see fit.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Doesn't this just effect hyper-turbo SNG's? and high-stakes NLH? I bet most of the people whining in this thread don't even play in the games that are having a rake adjustment.

So that is a reason not to do anything..........do hope you aren't a history major.....could give you lots of examples from history. Ps: should you be American don't forget to vote soon...

I won't log in on the 5th and am thinking of moving the bulk of my money - albeit not very much as I am not a pro by any manner of means...

I'm pretty sure anyone who is spending lots of time in this thread crying like a girl over rake adjustments that probably don't even effect them doesn't need to qualify that their bankroll isn't very much, it is self-evident lol.

A+

The fly you havent a clue its going to affect everyone not only this but all the other ways taking more money from players too thats has been coming out latey , I Also think that sitsouts are crap too people need to take most of thier money of the site if not all and play elsewhere and keep at it untill more and more people join .

Am I wrong that the only rake adjustments are in Hyper-turbo SNGs and the Highest Stakes NLH?

Hypers historically have been very low raked, I suppose to generate interest and momentum. I remember, pre-black Friday even, when Hypers were rake-free! So now that loads of people play Hypers, and get healthy cumulative FPP/VPP from it (in fact many SNE are Hyper players exclusively), is it so terrible to adjust the rake structure to something more inline with other tournaments/SNG's on Stars?

This whole uproar strikes me as a bunch of petulant whiners who want all the benefits of getting large chunks of FPP/VPP through Hypers, but don't want to have to pay a reasonable rake for it. Just my 2c.

A sitout will have no effect.

The only solution is a healthy and competitive market. There must be a strong competitor to keep Stars in line.

Y'all should move your volume to the 2nd best site.

Yes, you're very wrong. Maybe quit posting until you can read better.

Cashouts > Sitouts

Obviously.

Amaya is in the business of making money. The only the language they understand is profit and loss. Sitouts are an annoyance to the support staff that have to go round manually booting players from tables. Cashouts send a more powerful message to the accountants that are effectively running the company

A coordinated cashout campaign is likely the best way to demonstrate your disapproval with the company.

Perhaps the poker community could make a symbolic gesture at a certain time each week. Maybe we could all request a $10 cashout at 5pm on Friday.
Players could spend that $10 on something that makes them feel good, safe in the knowledge that it will never be converted to rake, or an Amaya shareholder dividend.

The fat cats might initially laugh at "LOL $10 cashouts", but when players do it every week at the same time, the "symbolic gesture" grows into serious financial muscle.
The message should reach them loud and clear:
Treat your customers badly, and your customers will take their money elsewhere.

In short, if you want to exercise your right to protest, do it in a language that money men understand. Don't sit out. CASH OUT.

I hate these kinds of opinions. And I hate to be potentially raped.

Let's work for poker!


Heard about pulling the rug from under the feet? We are/were trusting Stars. So far.

We may all be ****ed. Casino is ****. -EV games are ****. Is our hero going to be renamed: CasinoStars? CrapsStars? LotteryStars? LosingAssuredStars?

I'm deeply concerned.

obv is obv ...

HU CAP players mass sitout/cashout protest
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29.../#post45099988

get together and strike back. I will not play on November 5th and will withdraw all my money on the 4th. Also get all over social media spread the word poker stars is now rigged (unbeatable do to rake) Start threads on all forums let these guys know we will not stand for this. 450 million is not enough profit. Lets also give the other sites a boost in traffic.

hi guys!
The Russian community also declares a protest, withdrawal of funds on November 5. In more detail here: http://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?showtopic=93984

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