OK so the sit out and boycott didn't really have much affect but at least #AmayaGreed was trending on twitter right?

Next step, riots! Tear the mf down!

I think the number of poker players who know about 2+2 is far fewer than people think despite the fact that tens of thousands visit this site.

To my my great surprise I've rarely met poker players who have even heard of 2+2 and that includes young internetty looking kids at WSOP and kids who you'd swear we're 2+2ers by the way they talk.

Stars got 99 problems but the regs ain't none.

A lot of complaining here imo that will have no effect. With plenty of sites to pick, just withdraw your money from Stars, move to a site with lower rake, get deposit bonuses and other promotions there, and enjoy the overall softer competition: problem solved and your profitability increased thanks to lower rake and softer fields.

If Stars wants desperately to shoot themselves in the feet, well, that's their problem in the end.

AMAYA, DON'T KILL POKER - We are against the rake raise on PokerStars

Please change your avatar! Don't give to stop their protests...

Avatars 80 by 80 pixels for this forum:

Not just the regs being effected by latest changes but also uk rec players like me who play on their phone. Can't withdraw on new UK app. UK players blocked from withdrawing on web cashier. Can be done on pc but bit of a ball ache as never replaced my pc as don't really have a need for one anymore.

I know it has nothing to do with the rake changes, but seems like amaya is dead set on pissing everyone off

just email them and ask for manual cash out

seriously, this posting is the perfect example, what's wrong with the attitude of some nvg folks ... so you tell recs, that they need to protest, so rake gets lower and some regs can win again (recs obv still loose) .. makes perfectly sense

another thing that amazes me is the fact, that ppl are wondering why only a handful of ppl went on strike. a few months back it was 'common knowledge', that most ppl are looser. no one had pity, b/c hey, the fish could approve and buy HUD software if the wanted. now it's an outrage, b/c the average donk surprisingly doesn't care a bout winrate vs rake comparison.

so basically it's the decision between adapting or playing elsewhere ... but if all regs play on the 'softer' sites, the winrates there will drop while on PS the games get softer ... i can imagine, that it doesn't take many regs, to disturb the economy of a smaller room. the smaller room will react, if they have a money drain (like PP did it w/ banning some highstakes).

i wonder how long it takes, until the ppl see, that being 'winning player' isn't some basic right, that a poker room owns a small number of people, but in fact the results of dynamics like 'how many people bring money into the system' (fewer than before), 'how many grinders can take money from the system' (skill increases, edge gets smaller) and 'how much the operators take out' (yeah, PS now takes more for running the the biggest show)

this is fundamental ... you can all dream about fair rake (and what i've read, so far 'fair' means, that your win rate isn't negatively affected), or that guy laliberte and yahoo make a fantasy poker room where donks donate like its 2006 again), but with increasing costs and fewer money coming in, there will be less and less winners anyway ... without or with rake increase (in the later case obv the percentage of winners is smaller)

Anyone else think that the protests are dumb? If I don't like a business I just don't go to that business. If someone told me that I should organize a protest instead, I would tell them to fxck off.

^ let's say you are an employee and suddendly your salary is cut to 0, what would be your reaction? Find another job? Probably, in the end, you will, but not in the short term, because you would fight for the actual job.

So maybe the protest is useless and poor organized, but I don't think "dumb" is the proper adjective

Oh I didn't assume we're talking about a "job" job, which makes what you're doing even worse....I worked in factories most of my life and when you protest something you go on strike, not just for 1 day, but until both sides agree on the issues. You have a union that represents the employees and most pay you a benefit to remain on strike...you guys have none of that, you have no leverage. No, I think dumb is accurate.

Personally do not agree with the strike or similar, but everyone has free decision. They may or may not get a result from it but at least they tried.

This............Bravo, this is right on.

I did and done. Thanks.

well guess what, you arent an employee and PS is not your employer.

and striking by sitting out at tables preventing everybody from playing is like when a restaurant increases prices on their meal and you and your friends go there (coz it's ur favourite place to eat and u dont wanna go somewhere else) and sit at tables not ordering anything just blocking space and expecting not to get kicked out lol

All the Business Studies lessons are wonderful, we get it, pokerstars is a business and you dont care, but online poker has never looked less appealing as a way to make money.

When I started out I had a lot of pros/grinders to look up to, alot of big personalities printing money, a lot of bragging on here about beating the games, I was hooked, I got my friends hooked.

Year after year Ive seen the best winrates decline to a trickle and a sense that making any real money in the game is pretty much impossible, and if you do you probably play 20 tables at low stakes and never see the sun or a girl in your life, that's just not appealing to new players.

10 years ago I would have quit Uni to play poker and chase my dream, now I wouldn't quit a ****ing paperround.

Regs did bring in customers by bragging about their money, winrates and work-free life, but now the industry has been sucked dry by overraking no-one is crushing and showing ppl.

F***ing shortsighted and greedy, they always have been.

...Secondly why arent we organising mass self-exclusions? I tried starting a thread to do this but it just got moved into another thread

Don't don't kill poker?

Obv you are right and I'm agreeing with you, I was only trying to explain why people feeling robbed behave this way.
It is resonable and legit IMHO

I believe English isn't their first language, so we can excuse the use of a double negative which basically cancel each other out and in effect show support for AmayaStars lol.

Can amayastars use some of that extra rake money to upgrade the servers......... hmmmmmmm so much lag...

just had one husng pause for about 8 minutes total, while 2 others started and finished without issue

AMAYA is a joke

Open letter adressed to PokerStars.

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To whomever it may concern,

We, as Heads Up CAP regulars, wish to write an open letter concerning the recently implemented changes to rake on pokerstars. We understand that Heads Up as a whole have had high attainable winrates and low rake, but that is mostly reserved for the 100bb games with the main benefactors being the well-known “bumhunters” (people solely playing recreational players). Cap games, however, have somewhat limited winrates due to the rake cap being reached often whilst the maximum pot is limited to 40bb. We will not argue whether or not it is reasonable or fair for 100bb games despite many of us also playing those games, this is solely addressing CAP games.

In light of the recent changes to the rake structure, cap games have become unbeatable at stakes at and below $1/$2 and marginally profitable above. We do not request anything unreasonable, we do not argue we are entitled to anything, we simply ask for a rake level that can be beaten to a reasonable extent. I should be noted that we feel this issue is especially important for the stakes less than $5/$10 which this change hurts most of all.

As a way to show the discontent amongst regs we have cleared the lobby of all cap traffic from $0.50/$1 to $25/$50 - both regular and zoom (see provided link for evidence). This shows that we stand together on this issue and really are dedicated to showing how major an issue this is. To have every reg uniting behind a common cause with a player pool as large as the one pokerstars possesses when it is in each individuals interest not to is evidence of how strongly we feel about this change. We do not believe this change is good for anyone. It is no longer feasible for regs to play each other, resulting in even less action in the lobbies and less recycling of recreational money in the form of rake. This is good for neither regulars nor pokerstars. Then recreationals also stand a far greater chance of having a losing session as they do not stand a chance of performing well against skilled players with this rake. Having regs react so strongly to changes also generates bad publicity. This is particularly case on some of the forums which have been our chosen medium to communicate with the wider community. See the linked threads from both twoplustwo and gipsyteam for evidence of this.

Pokerstars was built into the giant it is today by continually excelling in every aspect. A standout feature was the respect and fairness they treated all their customers, both regulars and recreationals alike. Long term sustainability was always at the forefront of their mind and whilst we as customers understood they also had to make a profit, we rarely saw anything be implemented that appeared to extremely short sighted with only short term profit in mind. We hope that you will seriously review these changes and consider whether the benefits you believe you gain from them are outweighed the negative aspect of them we are trying to bring to light.


We hope you will read this and look to open more clear dialogue with your customers and perhaps even look to have an open discussion with us about these changes.

Yours sincerely,

aroustamian
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Link to picture of empty lobbies:
http://i.gyazo.com/82e7d09c7cf8bfdaef4fe2d8db68771a.png

2p2 threads:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...rotest-1485843
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...otest-1485543/

Gipsyteam threads:
http://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?showtopic=93984
http://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?...0#entry3380424