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02-24-2015 , 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrRepper
you can see in the graph description "my currency aiev adjusted"... donger 1.5k below ev
Below EXPECTATION, not EV. PokerTracker cannot measure EV. EV can be calculated on any action, the EV of a call the EV of a fold, the EV of a raise or bet - but to calculate EV it requires the knowledge of your opponent's range. Using today's technology, a tracker cannot determine an opponent's range because the tracker cannot predict the opponent's range; it can only perform calculations from the results. A tracker can however calculate equity of hand vs hand all-in situations, and then multiply the equity by the size of the pot to determine the winnings that the Hero is Expected to win. But the Hero's actual winnings for a hand will never equal expectation unless the hero's equity is 50/50 (in a heads up hand). Example: Hero has 90% equity in a $5K pot, his expectation is therefore $4,500. But in reality the Hero will win $5,000 90% of the time, or lose the pot 10% of the time - the hero will never actually win $4,500.

What does all this mean? You can run above or below EXPECTATION, but it is not a measurement of running hot or cold, and it is also not a measurement of playing good or bad - it is only a measurement of expectation and nothing more than that. No worries, this is a very common misconception... we see it and attempt to correct this misconception for our users on a nearly daily basis.

Now back to the TC vs DK HUNL match, we are closely watching these two outstanding players battle it out with in such a professional way with such grace, in our minds both players are winners regardless of the turnout!
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 02:36 PM
that was so random
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EmpireMaker2
Haven't you hustled enough people in this bet already?
U were buried before the first hand was dealt.
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WCGRider
Looking to bet on Donger Kim.

I will give you 5:1 on your money. (you bet 1k to win 5k for those who have a problem with the American odd system).

PM me.
Surely if you are offering 5:1 you will take the other side if I offer you 8:1?
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerTracker
Below EXPECTATION, not EV. PokerTracker cannot measure EV. EV can be calculated on any action, the EV of a call the EV of a fold, the EV of a raise or bet - but to calculate EV it requires the knowledge of your opponent's range. Using today's technology, a tracker cannot determine an opponent's range because the tracker cannot predict the opponent's range; it can only perform calculations from the results. A tracker can however calculate equity of hand vs hand all-in situations, and then multiply the equity by the size of the pot to determine the winnings that the Hero is Expected to win. But the Hero's actual winnings for a hand will never equal expectation unless the hero's equity is 50/50 (in a heads up hand). Example: Hero has 90% equity in a $5K pot, his expectation is therefore $4,500. But in reality the Hero will win $5,000 90% of the time, or lose the pot 10% of the time - the hero will never actually win $4,500.

What does all this mean? You can run above or below EXPECTATION, but it is not a measurement of running hot or cold, and it is also not a measurement of playing good or bad - it is only a measurement of expectation and nothing more than that. No worries, this is a very common misconception... we see it and attempt to correct this misconception for our users on a nearly daily basis.

Now back to the TC vs DK HUNL match, we are closely watching these two outstanding players battle it out with in such a professional way with such grace, in our minds both players are winners regardless of the turnout!
best level ever #thuglife
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Two SHAE
Surely if you are offering 5:1 you will take the other side if I offer you 8:1?
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Two SHAE
Surely if you are offering 5:1 you will take the other side if I offer you 8:1?
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerTracker
Below EXPECTATION, not EV. PokerTracker cannot measure EV. EV can be calculated on any action, the EV of a call the EV of a fold, the EV of a raise or bet - but to calculate EV it requires the knowledge of your opponent's range. Using today's technology, a tracker cannot determine an opponent's range because the tracker cannot predict the opponent's range; it can only perform calculations from the results. A tracker can however calculate equity of hand vs hand all-in situations, and then multiply the equity by the size of the pot to determine the winnings that the Hero is Expected to win. But the Hero's actual winnings for a hand will never equal expectation unless the hero's equity is 50/50 (in a heads up hand). Example: Hero has 90% equity in a $5K pot, his expectation is therefore $4,500. But in reality the Hero will win $5,000 90% of the time, or lose the pot 10% of the time - the hero will never actually win $4,500.

What does all this mean? You can run above or below EXPECTATION, but it is not a measurement of running hot or cold, and it is also not a measurement of playing good or bad - it is only a measurement of expectation and nothing more than that. No worries, this is a very common misconception... we see it and attempt to correct this misconception for our users on a nearly daily basis.

Now back to the TC vs DK HUNL match, we are closely watching these two outstanding players battle it out with in such a professional way with such grace, in our minds both players are winners regardless of the turnout!
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Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 07:08 PM
chits.... all in wanted to day its no monis in poker
,every1 solid...
pls ban me mods
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 07:44 PM
I just ate a fortune cookie and the fortune was "Tonight is the night!". Clearly the cookie gods were letting me know that TC crushes tonight



Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 09:53 PM
PokerStars Hand #131092408945: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50 USD) - 2015/02/25 1:29:53 WET [2015/02/24 20:29:53 ET]
Table 'TC vs Kim 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Donger Kim ($16560 in chips)
Seat 2: TCfromUB ($5000 in chips)
TCfromUB: posts small blind $25
Donger Kim: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
TCfromUB: raises $100 to $150
Donger Kim: raises $450 to $600
TCfromUB: calls $450
*** FLOP *** [Jh 7c 9c]
Donger Kim: bets $1200
TCfromUB: calls $1200
*** TURN *** [Jh 7c 9c] [Jc]
Donger Kim: checks
TCfromUB: checks
*** RIVER *** [Jh 7c 9c Jc] [6c]
Donger Kim: bets $14760 and is all-in
TCfromUB: calls $3200 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($11560) returned to Donger Kim
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Donger Kim: shows [As Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
TCfromUB: shows [6h 8h] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
Donger Kim collected $10000 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10000 | Rake $0
Board [Jh 7c 9c Jc 6c]
Seat 1: Donger Kim (big blind) showed [As Ac] and won ($10000) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: TCfromUB (button) (small blind) showed [6h 8h] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sixes

This is almost as bad as my bet on him. a true american feel player. I mean cmon tc theres not a chance that you should be attempting to exploit someone like donger this much
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 09:56 PM
calm your tits alobar, thats the king you are talking to
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:00 PM
damn, my ninja edit wasnt fast enough
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:01 PM
Yeah , heydanmerr. You should def coach TC.
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:10 PM
That last one seems terrible from TC...wtf?
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidSw0rd
Yeah , heydanmerr. You should def coach TC.
sorry i dont do coaching
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:19 PM
R.I.P. TC and his bettors...

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Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:20 PM
you guys are probably missing some information here. Not saying its good/bad or anything in between, but I dont think TC calls there specifically to exploit DK, and might not ever make that call outside the confines of this challenge.

Its pretty unfortunate, in every big pot DK just has it and TC being behind a good bit is probably overextending slightly
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by angeles
but I dont think TC calls there specifically to exploit DK
Exploiting is exactly the only thing he is attempting to do there. I promise you. Ask poker snowie if you need to call there without a club. Poker snowie ses no
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:34 PM
so youre willing to just ignore the current state of the challenge as a reason why he'd potentially make a call like this?

Seems pretty ambitious
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:35 PM
The fact that he didn't win the hand doesn't mean it was a bad exploit per se.
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by angeles
so youre willing to just ignore the current state of the challenge as a reason why he'd potentially make a call like this?

Seems pretty ambitious
The current stat of the challenge has nothing to do with it. The side bet is almost negligible.
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:43 PM
Regardless of whether the call is good or not, the difference between winning and losing that pot is unlikely to change the chance he wins the challenge by > 1-2%, and with 15k on the side, I dont think the $300ish difference matters too much.

Last edited by WCGRider; 02-24-2015 at 10:50 PM. Reason: wp Pew pew
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WCGRider
Regardless of whether the call is good or not, the difference between winning and losing that pot is unlikely to change the chance he wins the challenge by < 1-2%, and with 15k on the side, I dont think the $300ish difference matters too much.
interesting, WCGRider says it probably changed his chances of winning by at least 1-2% - a fairly costly mistake indeed.
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote
02-24-2015 , 10:53 PM


session 11 done, gg.
Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge Quote

      
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