Cue Georgia...

Article in the Wall Street Journal tonight about this and how it relates directly to Adelson.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice...ts-11547854137

IMO, regulators won't simply ignore the DoJ. We see that in PA already (although they haven't started offering games yet). And, banks won't process transactions they feel are unlawful under the Wire Act, even if they meet the letter of UIGEA.

IMO articles about potential DoJ prosecutions miss the point. Sites won't run afoul of the DoJ because they won't be able to. I predict states will go to courts for relief and I hope the courts do the right thing, but we can expect Adelson to be there, too. Of course, I think some sort of organized campaign of players writing to lawmakers in affected states encouraging such action would probably be a positive here.

Here's an excerpt from a Washington Post article of 2013, that shows just how obsessed the billionaire Adelson is with the issue of online gambling:

"Advisers to Adelson say he is intensely focused on the coming battle and talks about it every day with his staff. He has about two dozen experts working nearly full time on the issue.
“In my 15 years of working with him, I don’t think I have ever seen him this passionate about any issue,” said Andy Abboud, Adelson’s top political adviser."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.4be929d6bc63

Republican Gov. Snyder of Michigan vetoes online gambling bill.
Can we finally get over this myth that conservatives are better for the economy and wake up to the actual fact that they are 100 years behind on the times.
You listening Mason?

Neeme talking about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLOX...youtu.be&t=787

Translation: Sheldon Adelson f*$ked us again. It seems being one of the biggest donors to the GOP buys you what you want.

WOAH! I didn't realize they hit 1919 progressive thinking yet,....

Shocking that right wing super "family values guy" makes his billions of people degenning money. It is moral if they lose it at the Venetian and nowhere else right Sheldon?

Haven't read any responses yet, but to respond to this:


Exactly the opposite.

The Wire Act prohibits the use of wire communication (it was written in the 1960's) for engaging in interstate or foreign betting. The DOJ previously (its 2011 opinion) said that the Wire Act applied only to sports betting. Now the DOJ says the Wire Act applies to all gambling, which would include poker.

Of course, as was always the case, the DOJ's opinion is not law. But the DOJ is announcing that they will, if they so determine in the specific case, attempt to enforce the law against people engaging in gambling other than sports betting. If they ever do so and it goes to trial and makes its way through the courts, then we would find out what the law actually is when the Supreme Court made a ruling.

The biggest take away imho is that the financial institutions (banks and payment processors like Paypal) will now all the more stay away, not only from interstate online poker but possibly with intrastate too due to the inherent risks there b/c servers could be located in other states etc.

And like I said in other thread - the likelihood of Congress taking action in this area (see "broken govt") either way anytime soon (if at all) is nil imho. I rather take the odds on going all in with 27 offsuit in any tournament, chip leader or not. Opponents like Sheldy now certainly will want Congress to never take any action and leave things jammed up as they now are after this Wire Act reversal. Sheldy's safest, most lucrative play is this status-quo where no federal action is taken, especially now with a split Congress.

Welcome to Sept. 19, 2011 ... except slightly better litigation odds as PASPA was later overturned in favor of States.

Neeme's video was hilarious at the end! lol

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/08/...line-gambling/

SHELDON ADELSON GOT A SURPRISE GIFT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN

Good anthology especially for anyone not familiar in this area with Sheldy and Trumpy. Here is the key:

"That document (aka DOJ's Wire Act Reversal Opinion on 2011 interpretation) conspicuously lacked a signature, leading some to wonder if this was even real or just a draft."

You don't have to be a lawyer to know that any legal documents lacking ANY signature(s) should be considered null and void, at least imho. I would also think this would be an excellent point of attack for the court challenges.

P.S. - I am not pessimistic in this area. I DO believe online poker is inevitable and Sheldy will ultimately lose one way or another - it is just a matter of when.

The guy is 85 years old, shouldn't be too long..

He’s Jewish and a billionaire. He’ll live to be 105.
Sadly we have some time to wait.

"Mark Brenner, the president of the Poker Alliance, an advocacy group that focuses on the rights and interests of poker players,..."

Who ?

why the **** do any of you play at Adelson properties?

dude is the single most corrupt human in our country and you continue to support this disgrace of a human because you have a 20% roi in a 3 day $400 tournament.

grow a damn back bone.

this thread got my opes up lol

Rep Raskin is asking Whittaker about Adelson's lobbying to get the opinion overturned. Whittaker says he was recused for the decision and he never talked to Adelson or any lobbyists regarding it.

Whittaker had some casino donations to his senate campaign several years after the campaign ended. He says he didn't talk to anyone about it.

Whittaker denies any corruption involved in the overturning of the opinion.

Was his forehead beading up again?

Agreed. It boggles my mind. I guess people like to remain willfully ignorant about Adelson. This should actually be expanded from poker players to all human beings. Nobody should be spending a dime in his casino's.

Heythedude, you say you are located in Las Vegas.

Where do you think poker players rank on he food chain of resort/hotels in Las Vegas? How important to any operator are poker revenues versus all other revenue streams ?

Do you think "all human beings" are relevant to the very parochial interests of online poker players as a group ?

As for Sheldon, did you ever patronize his casinos back before his online gambling campaign ? You know, when he had screwed over hundred of construction workers, but was himself an online gaming license holder (from Alderney) ?

Yes, Sheldon is opposed to your interests (and mine) and works his leverage to his advantage. Seriously though, this is not something new for him or for billions of people who are not you and do not share or respect your wishes.

Deal with it, organize.

Who or who not said the quote is not important in this case. If the logic and evidence are sound (quote stating and referring to reversal opinion document lacks signature(s)), then that is what counts. Even if it is just an opinion from the OLC, how can the document conveying the reversal be given any import (in terms of consideration for future DOJ enforcement) without anyone's signature at the end of it?? This basic rule of law is understood the world over.