Yeah this is a fail. A lot of Americans felt reassurance when Durrrr and Galfond guaranteed $1mil each if FTP didn't pay us. This may have led some people (including myself) to make monetary decisions knowing we'd be getting back our FTP money eventually, especially when all of this happened right before the WSOP (where we might've taken more chances in cash games or tournaments knowing we'd get our FTP money back eventually).

I'm sure Durrrr had the right intentions, but he still messed up by making that public statement w/o due diligence (if he was totally misled then it's a little more forgiving but still not totally). Props for him apologizing about it though (or regretting it anyways).

Optimal play here is to bet 6 million IMO

toms posts have been pretty awesome. think hes gone from 55-45 against to heavily towards him

Even tho ROW players were allowed to withdraw 6 weeks after we were shut out?

Durrrr also bet that he could beat Curtains at chess and that Phil Hellmuth didn't truly believe he was the best player at a 6-max hold'em table with him Esfandiari and Laak. You all should by now that he's a prop fish and you should go against him every time.

durrrr is a cheater like all the other "FT pros". Noone can tell me that he didnt knew
how FTP was doing business. He took "our" money and didnt care about us although
he knew it was a big fraud. Its so disgusting how these "criminals" cheated all the loyal players. Iam from Germany (so sorry for my bad english) and i lost my whole bankroll (about 13K) I know its nothing for u durrr, but for me its a fortune

Now they all try to clean their big names. Its disgusting

YUP.

Tom, you're the man. The community needs more ppl like you.

durrrr - If you were going to pay back $1 million right now to players, do you really have the cash? Can you confirm/deny that you're actually broke and staked by James Bord and Mattew Benham and that they are the people you are alluding to who were interested in buying FTP?

I just saw that. I was referring to the thread purpose (and you probably knew it)

chill out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sghncnGkFAo

Didn't think of that, I jumped the gun there..

How can anyone not respect dwan out of this whole mess. He's the only one who has agreed to give back money. He has seemed genuine in all his tweets and now his posts. I have gained huge respect for him out of all this. Half of you people posting negatives towards him are the same miserable mopes that pile on top of every dam person that is down at the moment. I think it's a way to kick a millionaire while he's down because of jealousy. Karmas a bitch people. Tom you have proven so far to be a stand up guy and should be proud of yourself sir.

presuming this is true, it shows a huge amount of class and integrity in the middle of a situation in which both were in very short supply. kudos.

I seriously doubt most of the pros had any clue about the corporate structure or daily decisions of FTP. Most endorsers don't get heavily involved with the businesses they become the face for.

Obviously the more of a stake they had in the company, the more likely they would be to get involved with the business, but I would guess that 90% of the red and big name pros basically just signed their contracts, wore patches when they played live, and otherwise just did their usual grind.

That makes him good at posting.

He is only coming clean on stuff AFTER it was published today.

He knew this info but both said nothing or didn't quit FTP.

I dont think he is the bad guy here but he aint the super good guy either.

He is only fessing up and being contrite after the **** has hit the fan.

I fully expect all the other Pros to do the same damage control over time.

He is only telling us stuff we now already know.

If Tom wants to make things right he needs to fully explain everything that has happened and what he did to try and make things right behind the scenes.

Then he can be judged on his actions.

Did he have the best interest of the players or Tom Dwan at heart?

all in all even if he did say he would pay its not his responsibility. Who has a contract with durrrr? Sure as hell not me.. he seems to be a smart individual, just made a wrong assumption with the situation. We do need to get paid though, its pissing me off more and more each day.

While I agree with what you are saying, some might have had more knowledge than you suggest.

I am certain all will claim they had no idea what was going on.

None showed integrity by walking, instead they decided to stand by and say nothing, some even kept wearing the patches and playing in tournaments post BF.

Awesome statement here. Wish Howard would of made it! lol

The sad part is the fact those players who got really big endorsement cash (tax free, mind you) probably ended up blowing it at the tables, anyways.

I guess MY question to you durrrr (personally) is:

Will the FTP proletariat player base EVER see our money back (via FTP (lol), or via the Govt in a settlement)?

Durrrr, do you think there is a chance players will be able to get 100% of their account back?

Also, I have emailed FTP to ask for my exact account balance, but they have not replied. I assume this information will become public if the company is liquidated?


Iv'e lost so much money over this, its crazy

I think his comments definitely affected US decisions.

Having bias against the US players would be epic ******edness.

And it won't happen. No f'n way.

Pretty sure that he's clever enough and has bunch of money invested in way greater businesses than FTP.

Hmmm...I could see them having an inkling, or hearing rumors, but I think if they had really known what was going on, we would have seen at least a few of them walk or talk.

We'll never know, of course, not for sure.

durrrr, How many people were "owners" of ftp? Pure speculation how much capitol would you estimate these owners are worth right now? Thanks...

no, hes trying to clean his name. Why didnt he answer questions earlier?
today, when he saw that there is no hope for FTP to come back with all these
news, he is trying to make us believe that he is the good guy and he didnt know
anything about it. Pure calculation. he knew it all

Didnt everyone assume Ivey was super baller rich yet according to various sources he is not wealthy at all.
FTP claims that he still owes them millions.

Who really knows who has what?

You mean the red pros weren't told "hey, we've been lying about player accounts being segregated, we've been skimming 10 million a month off the top, and we are over 300 million under water"?

Tom Dwan bears some culpability for his million dollar pledge that FTP was legit, but somehow I suspect he wasn't given a secret handshake and told just how shady this operation was.