I agree with your sentiment, and I boycotted the casino for years. However, in 2020, his company/wife sold the Venetian, and the current owners have nothing to do with Sheldon or his wife. I go to play there now, if they are running an event I'm interested in.

WOW! Greg Raymer on one of my posts!!!!!! Glad to see you're still around Greg. You were one of the top guys during the Boom!

You mean the guy that made it so the thieves only stole millions rather than billions. The thieves were the evil ones not the guy that pointed out the emperor has no clothes.

Howard is a huge Turd Just watched a video about how he was constantly stirring the pot in the Dnegs Annie feud. I know that has little to do with the question but it just goes to show what type of person he is. Do i forgive him sure but he should have been tossed out of the poker community

The truth!!!

I'll never forget logging into the poker forum on Something Awful, PITR. I saw a post from Adanthar who I think used to post here quite a bit, but anyways the title was in all caps "GET YOUR MONEY OFF OF PARTY OR NETTELLER RIGHT NOW" he gave everyone a heads up warning like a day or two before it was about to happen. I blindly listened got a few thousand off of netteller and yup that was the end of both Party Poker and Netteller. Kids today have no idea how fast things used to be withdrawing from a site and onto your netteller account and being able to access that money through the ATM card they used to give you.

That was the beginning of the end.

The vast majority of crimes are never proven. People can be smart criminals, hire good lawyers, the law can be busy catching different criminals, etc.

I think the argument that they're not criminals would entail their actions/intentions being so wildly unethical as to be bordering on criminal but not quite there. In which case, I don't care about the distinction. At the end of the day, they kept vast sums, while the players were stiffed, and common sense pointed to at least gross negligence.

Who knows maybe I am just experiencing the Dunning Kreuger effect and they are totally innocent and ethical. It would be baffling. I would never forgive unless they went above and beyond to prove their innocence, admitted bad ethics, then declared bankruptcy, etc.

They've run quite a few scum bag things across players besides trying to kill off online poker. I just don't bother.

https://www.cardschat.com/news/venet...urnament-84381

How do you toss someone out of the poker community?

Well for one ban him from ever getting any awards or even entering any major tournaments. You could also bar him from all major casino and poker rooms. The odds of getting all the rooms to cooperate are pretty low though

Wow, I give one answer to a question, and according to you I am trolling. Some people answer "Yes" to a question others answer "No". Just because you don't agree, does not make you correct. By the way, don't you think it is about time someone apologized for their outlandish behavior and accusations against a lady?

I don’t see why we should forgive the people who helped destroy online poker in the US for almost ten years, an event we still haven’t recovered from.

I’ve always wondered…

Why doesn’t Phil helmuth get the same reputation for his roll in ultimate bet and being friends w Russ Hamilton and profiting off a company that cheated its own players?

I think the positions are eerily similar. Insert famous poker pro making money off marketing for a company that steals from its players by not segregating funds or cheating them out right.

Marketing for a company is a far cry from being intimately involved in the operations, and helping direct the allegedly illegal operations. Lots of famous names do lots of marketing for companies that turn out to be scummy (e.g., the recent FTX fiasco, pimped by at least Tom Brady, Gisele Bündchen, Stephen Curry, Naomi Osaka, Big Papi, and Kevin O'Leary), I wouldn't compare that to actually sitting on the board or being COO of these shitbag companies.

This is wrong on multiple levels.

1) They made a set of rules, and ethical operators like PokerStars followed them. Unethical operators like FTP tried to ignore them (no matter what Brandon Adams thinks). They didn't point out anything.

2) The people lobbying or voting for this had no idea the emperor had no clothes. It was a lucky accident for them that they could later justify their position by saying "see?"

I don't forgive them, but it was fun time for poker. I started playing alot before the boom and enjoyed being a prop player on several sites. What really burned my ass was the super user stuff and I still to this day feel i was cheated from a player I could never beat, not one hand.

NO absolutely not. They "apologized"???? Give me a ****ing break. They never had to suffer ANY consequences for stealing hundreds of millions of dollars - money they still live lavishly off today. Plus, they destroyed online poker for US players with their greediness. Time does not change any of that.

Honestly, I’m more upset that their terrible business practice destroyed what was imo the best online space for poker. The software and graphics, even the sounds. They made playing fun.

Ditto.

I used to play on there. And not that I think about it but I think my poker career would be FAR different if that software and ecosystem continued/Black Friday didn't exist.

lmao means they are well connected and can afford great lawyers.

I disagree. Prior to UIEGA there was talk on multiple fronts about regulating online poker. Frist upended the process. If Frist had gone about the UIEGA legislation properly instead of tacking it onto the Port Security Act - I wouldn't have a problem with him.

This was all Sheldon Adleson.

Howard and Chris took advantage of a situation that comes once in a lifetime - let's be honest 99% of you in here would do the same. Money rules the world - maybe not when you live at home with mommy and daddy but the real world is a different story.

I do not forgive Bill Frist. One day, he shall get his.

Weak people continue to hold grudges

Despite your lie most knew the emperor had no clothes as the amount being looted made clear it was at best a Ponzi scheme and the collapse would be much worse as more would have been looted if they were not stopped.

Good point, they did their time and paid the price by........*checks notes*.....uh......how did they exactly?