According to the following blog post from April 2019, Trueteller and Phil Ivey played $100/$200 NLHE on Pokerstars and cross-booked for 10x the amount. According to Trueteller, Phil Ivey
At least in hind sight, it would seem like he was actually freerolling Trueteller on the cross-booking.

I`m suprised to see that this has gotten virtually zero attention.

As an aside, the hand below is actually the biggest cash game hand in the history of online poker if you factor in the cross-booking.

Ivey probably many millions in debt..and it's not like he has an edge in high rollers or in Bobby's Room at this point..

Thanks for posting this. It is fascinating to realise one by one the greats from poker's Golden Age are now struggling. Ivey's extreme highrolling playing on craps, where the house has an unbeatable edge, has been mentioned elsewhere, so that may well be his fatal leak.

I know Hellmuth comes in for loads of stick, but is he the last of the Golden Age players still showing a consistent profit each year? I just can't think of any other of them that look as though they are still consistently winning heavily.

(Hearsay warning)

There was a person who knew him fairly well who told me once that Phil had a deal with some casinos to play at 1/5th or 1/10th his action at craps during big tournaments.

Ie he would play for 5000 per come out roll and only be live for 500, etc.

The action he generated in the pit with his presence was valuable, but they wanted him to play at super high stakes so they could set a high minimum.

Good job giving Ivey credit lol

From the outside, it seems like Juanda and Seidel are still doing well.

I'm also skeptical that Ivey is somehow a complete mark now. He's had some very big MTT results in the past 12-15 months and looked to be his same old dominant mixed games self in the WSOP $50k last year before a rough final day. I would guess that he's still very, very good.

Realistically, the early Moneymaker/WPT boom sold the public a fairy tale that the established pros were these godly unbeatable titans with borderline superpowers on the felt. A lot of them were probably world class around 2000-2002, but as the game exploded, the player pool rapidly improved and their edge shrunk. The online poker sponsorship money kept a lot of those early stars flush with cash, but once that ship sailed, it seems like a lot of those guys burned through their money and discovered their own mortality.

I don't think I need to name names, but you can pretty much pick any minted TV star from the early days of the WPT/WSOP boom and he won't be crushing in 2020. Actually, Ivey seems to be one of the few from that era who would still be very live money in the biggest stakes.

Casual 1300bb pot in a heads up single raised pot

He plays for the softest 6 weeks of the year at what is effectively mid stakes MTTs.

If you were successful at live MTTs 10+ years ago you are still going to be successful at low/mid stakes live MTTs now. That's not necessarily true in other formats or at the highest stakes.

hopefully iveys case ending with borgata can free up some cash and he can pay off trueteller. Nothing bothers me more than someone freerolling another or not paying a debt thats clearly owed

Hey guys, I dont think Phil was freerolling me, some unfortunate series of events happened to him. He is in touch with me and I'd prefer this topic not to be discussed in public.
If it's possible to close/delete this thread I would appreciate it.

I hear ya, I also regularly post stuff I don't want discussed in public on internet forums.

Interesting crossbooks tales

This ^^^ /lock

Could someone explain to me how crossbooking works?
Thanks in advance.

And, am I understanding Truerwller correctly that he posted something about Ivey on his blog for the entire world to see and now wishes to silence us?
Ни фига себе.

Ivey have some powerful friends.

Why is this thread not locked yet? All the mods busy in the politics section deleting conservative views?

just like it sounds in the quote.. play 1/200, 10x = 1k/2k with paying the 90% on the side

excellent lurking by trueteller as well

Totally understand your concern. Could you please detail the timeline involved?
Did the unfortunate events occur before , during , or after these matches?

lol

TT: I do not want this to be discussed public



NVG: TT please answer a bunch of questions about it !!!

Would legit have been an interesting thread if OP had posted this in April 2019.

Я не хочу, чтобы этот пост обсуждался публично, поэтому разместил его на русском языке.

Ты тот же самый Truteller?

hi TT, how does it feel to kill all the high stakes GG action within 5 minutes?

No love from ZZ to TT on GG

What hurt Ivey the most was his firm belief that at least one judge in his legal actions against all the casinos would understand he was being freerolled beyond belief. The London casino, Crockfords, even gave a receipt for a couple of million pounds, saying they didn't have the cash on hand that night.

The whole freerolling argument went nowhere. The judges simply didn't buy into the concept that Ivey's edge sorting had a risk of loss, but the casinos weren't paying out anything when they lost.

Not sure what he spent on legal fees but if you told me it was above $5 million I wouldn't doubt it.