This is just an argument from authority. I could use the same argument and say the vast majority of professional gamblers dont think edge sorting is cheating, so it isnt. I'm willing to bet you money the vast majority of judges consider poker 'gambling' in the traditional sense of the word though, and have little conception of the law of large numbers or edges and whatnot. If that's true then a judge saying edge sorting is 'cheating' has less weight behind it than a professional gambler, who understands these things on a deep level, saying it isnt.

It's as if you think someone with a law degree has some kind of special intelligence that also gives him authority on every other subject. This is even more illustrative of your general level of credulity. A law degree doesnt make you an authority on other subjects; it doesnt even make you an authority on the law.

Although nothing to do with this case, I don't see anything wrong with casinos freerolling cheats like Ivey.

Little bit of a conflict between an admitted non objective opinion and respect for that opinion, isnt there?

Why are you overreaching?

Best post of the thread.

On that note, thread is now closed.


PM a mod if there is any new news on this case and the thread can be re-opened at that time.

I am re-opening thread since there seems to be some pertinent news.

Feel free to link to news article.

Let's try to not overly re-hash arguments that have already taken place in the thread.

https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/borgata-casino-wins-motion-to-track-down-poker-pro-phil-iveys-assets-in-nevada/

sounds like chit's not over yet.


In b4 2@AbelesezzaAbeMlezza posts the TMZ inside info version

He'll move all his assets out of Nevada I guess? Is there any way they can forcibly collect from him, like say under criminal penalty? Or will it be like an OJ Simpson thing where he will be able to skirt payment forever by hiding money or earning ineligible income?

I'm not a lawyer but unless you move your assets to the moon, I'm pretty sure if you do so solely to prevent seizure from ongoing legal matter... its problem.

Not quite much ado about nothing, but all they are doing is domesticating the judgment. This is not an uncommon occurrence where a Defendant is located outside of the jurisdiction where judgment rendered...

I have no idea about what Nevada statutes permit with regard to the attachment of assets. If they are anything remotely like we have here in Texas, it is still a challenge to levy bank accounts even with the domesticated judgment...although they could attach a lien to any property owned which would then require the resolution prior to the sale of the property).

Conversely, there are some jurisdictions where the domestication is basically carte blanche to wipe out asset accounts.

Hopefully someone with Nevada experience can chime in for clarification...

Ivey sold his big mansion in vegas awhile back didn't he? wonder if his 1 million dollar mclaren is still registered in the state the though.Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of his wealth is in macau/asia.

Who gets paid back first? Abe Mosseri from Eli or The Borgata from Ivey?

It's so ridiculous that he has to pay back 500k he won at the craps table too. Blows my mind. I'm assuming if he lost 500k at craps it wouldn't factor into what he owes on the baccarat.

He's going to be hounded for the rest of his life unless he pays or maybe wins on appeal if there is one. IDK if he even has the money, certainly not his partner's share, gl to him dodging all of the lawyers.

Like any civil judgment its up to the Borgata to locate his assets and have them seized by a local Sheriff or whoever does asset seizure in the place the assets are located. Banks accounts can be confiscated, real estate, cars and property of all types can be seized. The issue for Borgata will be finding the assets and hoping they are in a jurisdiction that honors the judgement (basically the USA). If his assets are in Macau, the Philippines or some other foreign jurisdiction or buried in a hole somewhere the chances of recovering them are virtually nil.

not necessarily. a judge if he feels a person is hiding assets can put them in jail until they show them to the court even if out of the country. the fact that the country doesnt recognize the judgement doesnt mean you are home free on it. you still owe it and they are your assets.

I suppose theoretically that is possible but if you know of a case of anyone ever being jailed (let alone extradited) in Macau or the Philippines for failing to repay a civil judgment ordered in the US I'd be interested in seeing it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago...ard-trade/amp/

Interesting case, but according to this article he was only arrested when he returned to the United States, and the assets he has been accused of hiding abroad were not recovered.

He was arrested in Boston on May 23 while visiting family members and extradited to Cook County.

So Ivey moves to Macau and never comes back?

His options,
Pay the vig, be red flagged in every Baccarat house in the western world , but to the community as a whole he payed his debt .. he fired. He missed.. move on

Don't pay the vig , be hunted forever, and red flagged, loses his "good' name and standing.

Don't pay, move to Macao , never come back to the states again..and live with it and all the **** that comes with it.

Conclusion ?

A good night's sleep with a clear conscience is priceless..

Like the song by The Clash

I fought the law and the law won..

PAY DAT MJAAAN HEEEEES MONEY..... HEE BEEET MJEEE, FJAIR AND SQUARE



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Seat open in the 2/5 game.

my conclusion. solid first post. you will have a long and industrious NVG career. If by some chance it doesnt work out you'll always have BBV as plan B.

No worries about my NVG career.. my wife says I'm NVG every day.... Not very good.. got that covered..

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NVG pro tip. careful with the wife references. That didnt end well for @eastcoastballa