I don't give investment advice and have no track record of picking winners or holding onto the winners I do luck into.

My only analytic advice is general: if it (i.e which ever ones do break out, if any) , does it run on ETH ?

RIP Nooseknot. Wish he would come back from the dead.

Regarding above. ICOs are a red herring, as it relates to blockchain. They are the first simple and probably least important product/service/technology enabled with the new protocols.

TCP IP brought the internet. The internet changed the world.

Blockchain will augment? / replace? / morph? TCP IP.

We have only scratched the surface of blockchain's ultimate impact on society.

You want to invest in this stuff. Forget about ICOs , research and invest in blockchain infrastructure companies.

Lou, the Etherium blockchain was precisely an infrastructure innovation. It was the first to provide for smart contracts functionality.

"Invest" need not mean buying equity shares in companies, subject to SEC rules. Rather you might consider ETH, the fuel for the Etherium blockchain a commodity analogous to gasoline, buying gasoline does not require you to buy shares in Standard Oil. ETH is different that gasoline because it is easier/safer to store nad wait for the price you seek .... or you can use it yourself.

Do we have anything legit yet?

Solana, Dot, Elrond, Polygon… cmon man, someone step up and give us old school ****ers a retaste of 2004

Some decent in-browser polygon/metamask poker setup would be epic. From there getting a full client and just a simple mix of cash & SNG to start off the defi poker boom and make moneymaker boom look tiny isn't an unreasonable outcome. Permissionless, trustless online poker? With rich crypto bros? What could be better.

Ok, what is an "in browser polygon/metamask poker set up" ?

If what you reference is tied to some blockchain, does it resolve the delay in confirming actions that rest on the blockchain (any blockchain) ?

Decentralised poker is something I've looked at over the years. The closest I've seen is app-based poker, with real world settlements off app.

In a nut, yes.

And yes onchain decentralised poker/gambling will be here soon at this rate. But there’s nothing that decent yet, maybe VP once their beta is sorted. ??? And like u say 95% is off chain. Some online casinos are onchain but super sketchy,

Blockchain verification delays have reduced dramatically from when u did that research IMO. (I read a lot of what u posted back in the day and it was dopes btw. )

For details,
Polygon is a Layer 2 scaling solution for eth1.0 that speeds up transactions per second, optimism launches soon which makes further scaling advances. These protocols transact a layer on top or on side of eth. Eth2.0 will further increase ethTPS up to about 100k TPS but that’s a long way off. For reference visa do about ~25k TPS I believe. They state 65k but who knows, as it gets settled at the end of day and not instantly like crypto.

Sol or Solana (a different newer rust language based blockchain) is pretty impressive right now at 50k TPS, however currently they are only achieving say 6k out of 50k TPS and they don’t really have the foundations or infrastructure that eth has in place to capitalise on that 50k claim. There’s another chain claiming 100k TPS as of today….we just need a “paradise poker” like in the 1990s to pop up… the decentralised ecosystem is gearing up for gaming and gambling… I for one am super excited about this (dunno if that comes across or not lol). Glory days returning to interwebs poker in next 5 years I say, hopefully sooner!

For most of the last 15 years, when I wanted to play on a poker site:

-create account, get asked for address/email/possibly ID photos
-send USD from bank to site, hope bank & poker site don't question it
-play, hope RNG isn't rigged
-cash out, hope site is solvent
-hope bank accepts wire, wait time probably days

Recently, it's been:

-create account, ID, etc
-deposit bitcoin, confirmed in a few minutes/hour
-play, hope not rigged
-cashout btc, pretty confident site is solvent, confirmed in minutes/horurs

With Metamask on polygon/solana poker:

-connect metamask with site instantly, deposit in 2-5 seconds (no email, no user info required)
-play (RNG verified publicly)
-cash out in 2-5 seconds (site's coins balance public, no solvency questions)

I'd be surprised if there wasn't some legislation-type stuff coming for this, but it's a bigger game-changer than anything that's happened for online poker, ever.

Additionally, I'm sure you could provide liquidity/stake coins to get a % of the rake, as well as have a DAO where you you vote with your coins for new games, etc.

Noice!!

I think so, the sheer number of kids under 18 in crypto warrants gambling regulation imo. But then every new tech us humans ever get, be it vhs, telephones, internet, dvds, Kazaa, we basically just degenerate it up with some gambling and porn innovation to pinnacle it up. So maybe that part will cum 3bet thrust allin first? Who knows…

I 100% agree with your initial logic here tho

This is allegedly an implementation: https://github.com/monicanagent/cypherpoker.js/

I spent time in dialogue with the developer, I am convinced its worth checking out and I'm more just now at the technical capability to explore it. I have a few things I'm wrapping up but I'm going to try to check this out over the next weeks. I could certainly use some help if anyone is interested. He's a good dude afaict, and he's sharp, if he says he did it, I think its well worth attempting to validate..

I noticed Decentraland/Ice poker is sponsoring Hustler casino live stream fwiw

Omg it has an s.

Ok...

there is a new technology, dorsey threw money at it. remember deep state took over twitter. musk shifted the overton window. do you believe in the nsa?

years ago I design a technology based on a nashian assumption. For anyone that understands theory I generalized his work and then gave a specific case that includes the point of without loss of generality.

nostr, no blockchain, no coin, no promotion...its a protocol...an agreement. And it fullfills the nashian assumption of mine thats in this diagram:



And I can code and read code now. and we have chat gpt. so you can give chatgtp the link to pat bays cypher poker, and it will explain to you the future of poker

so Patrick coded this concept, its hard to fathom. but there is smart wisdom here. its a contract. its called a smart contract, but the key is that its BOTH verbal AND cryptographically provable. The BOTH part, will trip the community up for a bit...

no this is wrong.

this is leftist bullshit.

no one cares about secure multiparty computations. but to any mod reading this....it MUST BE SECURE.

do we understand the difference between what this left AI BS says and what I'm saying. If i proposed a project that wasn't cryptographically secure....? like wtf....?

so this one IS THO. even the AI knows it. It just said something stupid too.

you can talk to it

So one of the concepts.... you don't need a poker engine, if thats a thing. so each site has their own sort of poker engine.

but in this paradigm that is implicit, in the agreements. So if we are sincere and thinking about all this...one thing I can says is that all past actions of a hand are implicitly agreed upon. Does someone understand this?

So agreements recurse, and we only have a few edge case thus to solve....

This has been done 10x already and flopped terribly.

This hasn't been tried once. And there are actually some players here that can verify the difference between cypherpoker and other projects in that regard. Cypher poker is a protocol implementation. Its like a suggestion to projects of how they should have players actions communicated between each other. So for example cypher poker has almost no poker gui at this time. Its not a poker site. Its for poker sites to use. It's free an open source and there is no ownership for profit.


All of the alleged p2p poker implementations previously have been centralized projects that are meant to create a pump a dump scheme etc.

This is why we need to understand nostr a little bit. Nostr is a set of protocol specs:

https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr
Nostr is a hidden powerful new technology that will completely nullify deep state control of social media narrative. There is no coin, no blockchain, no thing to pay for. Its simply a set of specs for communication:

Cypherpoker was built on this protocol assumption and thus we now have p2p poker. I'll be working on porting it to nostr and explaining it to the players to find the people that will be interested in porting the industry over to it.

Also I think people should note the types of players that respond in this thread that is about breaking down the monopoly barriers for new poker sites to compete with the legacy government granted monopoly etc.

Is there a difference between a poker implementation that has a primary mission to not evoke jurisdiction of (negative) law....versus one that doesn't?

Can there be an implementation of poker that doesn't invoke the law. **************** includes a brief overview of the history of poker in relation to law. I go this idea from a blog by a person named Nick Szabo. I believe that it is possible to have an evolution of technology which traditional law has no jurisdiction over. Does anyone that knows this history want to test out the theory of this implementation in this regard?

Gzesh...can ask the hard philosophical questions and cypherpoker ai will answer them.

I honestly hope this takes off, a bunch of idiots invest tons of money then someone runs off with all of it. Americans have a scamming fetish, I swear to god. Just play in a goddamn casino you ****ing morons.

Here is a consideration.

I parsed cypher poker and one thing that the creator did was left it such that's the table creator is the first dealer.

Its baked into the code so I couldn't quick hack a way to change that. So there is a technical debt for example.

But the nature of the implementation is such that the players can sign into the contract to fold to the agreed dealer.

Since the contract is computationally verified and only when someone tried to cheat, and cheating is never profitable, it's effectively a computationally costless change to the programming without changing the base later code .

As for gzesh we want to ask if a poker implementation does not fall under the jurisdiction of us justice and law, but allows players to play with any player jurisdiction in the world...will us law enforcement go after the protocol?

What in the world is going on in this thread?

Is not what's going on in this thread that gives it context. Its what goes on in boycott thread and WHY