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12-12-2011 , 09:00 PM
on the first one, yes

would bet my life on it if given the opportunity
12-12-2011 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by effrum
are you saying that online nosebleeds are way more intense than the swings archie karas experienced or the other way around?
No, he's saying that todays online nosebleed games are not comparible to playing table games like craps and some live HU limit games 15 years ago
12-12-2011 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Doorbread
on the first one, yes

would bet my life on it if given the opportunity
i will bet you a dollar if you give me odds of 2000/1.
12-12-2011 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Doorbread
on the first one, yes

would bet my life on it if given the opportunity
Booked at 1,000,000 + Life : 1.

Msg me paypal info, we can discuss timeframe/methodology.

edit: i will wager bout tree fiddy
12-12-2011 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mikey09990
i will bet you a dollar if you give me odds of 2000/1.
You're killing my action.
12-12-2011 , 09:47 PM
dont feel like reading whole thread. cliffs on isildur for today? how much did he lose back
12-12-2011 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by vizion88
dont feel like reading whole thread. cliffs on isildur for today? how much did he lose back
$700k+
12-12-2011 , 10:01 PM
The reason people say he is a degen isnt because of his swings. Its because his biggest swings are invariably at the end of a long ass session. He is a poor player when he is tired or tilted and cant quit.

He gets action every time he comes online, there is no reason he cant take a break and play after he rests.
12-12-2011 , 10:09 PM
I dont think he would get any action if he only played his best
12-12-2011 , 10:58 PM
Any info you can give us Doorbread? Is it generally known among the HS community who long is?
12-13-2011 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBroseidon
Not counting SNE, Star's sponsorship, SNGs, live poker, Isildur's still up over a million this year with ~3400 sessions played (most of which are marathons).

He's a degen, yes, but he's a winning one.
Let´s not forget Pokerstars basically put him on a (20 buy-ins @ 25/50 per month) high stakes freeroll. We´re in december now, so he basically had a 240 buy-ins @ 25/50 freeroll. Lol @ anyone who thinks this didn´t have a SERIOUS impact on his learning curve/ability to play in games he never would have played in without that money.
12-13-2011 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by nizzwsop
I wish NVG could have seen Archie Karas back in the day. You love how Isildur gambles and takes huge risks (degening), No offense at all, but Archie makes Isildur look like a nit. You guys drool at how Isildur can win and lose 500-900K in a sesh.... Archie did it with 40 million... Im not saying Isildur isnt sick or good or whatever, but hands down for me I think Archie was the biggest Degen of them all. Its a shame he isnt more popular than he is. Guy is a Legend in Vegas.
You compare Archie´s complete bankroll loss of 40 million with one single session for Isildur.
And Archie didn't play just poker but all kinds of games, from dice to baccarat .
I think what people find fascinating about Viktor is that he is extremely talented at certain aspects of the game, deep stack play and putting your opponent on tough decisions, but with that comes poor bankroll management and I think many agree that he sometimes made huge errors when stacks are shallow ...
But at the age of 19 build being able to 9-table Antonius, Phil Ivey and durrr at the highest stakes and hold his own ... that's incredible ...
12-13-2011 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tiltnonstop
Let´s not forget Pokerstars basically put him on a (20 buy-ins @ 25/50 per month) high stakes freeroll. We´re in december now, so he basically had a 240 buy-ins @ 25/50 freeroll. Lol @ anyone who thinks this didn´t have a SERIOUS impact on his learning curve/ability to play in games he never would have played in without that money.
Wtf are you talking about, you think he couldn't get a big enough roll for 25 50 if he wasn't sponsored by ps? How do you think he had enough to 8table 500\1k games?


He could get staked or build the roll himself just like he's done plenty of times before
12-13-2011 , 03:23 AM
ppl are ******ed, he didnt become a pokerplayer after he got sponsored by PS. He had been for years before teh sponsorship, amongst it 9tabling 500/1k, crushing on several euro networks as high as 300/600 and so on.

the amount of money he got from PS isnt what kept him afloat, on the contrary it chained him, instead of MA'ing(ye its ugly buy hey get real. who wouldnt in isis shoes to get action?) ppl on several networks in NLHE and getting action every now and then. Instead he got stuck under one nickname that really didnt get action in NLHE HU unless it was a "challenge" and therefor forced the actionjunkie of actionjunkies to PLO.

PLO have gone good when played HU tho, the degen in him sends him to the 6max tables time to time which doesnt go to good as stated before.

And LOL at the comparison to archie, its two different worlds, one being a year long spin? longer? shorter? dont remember the casino in random games and the other is $1,5-4m swings in hours at a gazilion "smaller stakes". Sure Archie was a degen, but who is kidding themself when saying blom wouldnt be able to degen off that kind of money if he had won it from pokers? He didnt settle for a $7m roll on FTP at the age of 19 ffs. why would he settle at 10? 20? 40?

We dont know where the thresholds is for that kid, when he thinks hey, i got monies now, what shall i do with em? NO. MORE BANANAS IN DONKEY KONG I MUST HAEV, PHIL IVEY? 1000/2000 6 TABLE? NO? 4 TABLES 2000/4000??? 2 TABLE 3000/6000 THEN OR I SLEEP (and then 2 table antonious on the side)
12-13-2011 , 03:41 AM
^
12-13-2011 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by nizzwsop
I wish NVG could have seen Archie Karas back in the day. You love how Isildur gambles and takes huge risks (degening), No offense at all, but Archie makes Isildur look like a nit. You guys drool at how Isildur can win and lose 500-900K in a sesh.... Archie did it with 40 million... Im not saying Isildur isnt sick or good or whatever, but hands down for me I think Archie was the biggest Degen of them all. Its a shame he isnt more popular than he is. Guy is a Legend in Vegas.
I agree with u on this one sir. Viktor Blom is still a great player though.
12-13-2011 , 04:06 AM
I mean it's just getting kinda ridiculous how stupid people can be in this thread.

PLO is a swingy as hell game, when he's winning 1.8 million over 48 hours HES RUNNING VERY HOT, when he loses a big amount HES RUNNING VERY BAD.

Yes, he tilts like a mother****er, we all know this. But every single time he loses like 10 buyins by bluffing into the nuts everyone's like JESUS HE'S TILTING SO HARD, what they don't realise is that when he's bluffing and people are folding he was running hot. His swings are obviously increased by his tilt but most of it is just variance.

Even a hugely tilted isildur isn't 'meant' to lose freaking 20 buyins or whatever in 2000 hands, especially in PLO where equities are so thin anyway.

Obviously tiltnonstop is just a huge troll who should be ignored, but damn people you really need to get a grip on variance. Someone losing a bunch of buyins != automatic tilt, and someone winning a ton of buyins != automatic ownage.
12-13-2011 , 04:14 AM
^^ So true, variance is gigantic in these games.
It does look however, that after he cashes out, he sort of wants to force a rungood and run up a big roll again. Then he can become quite tilty and he just has to fix that
But even when he's not playing his A-game he can make 1 mega due to VARIANCE!

Long and Pepp at it btw 100/200

Last edited by RRRR; 12-13-2011 at 04:27 AM.
12-13-2011 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SoLost
Even a hugely tilted isildur isn't 'meant' to lose freaking 20 buyins or whatever in 2000 hands, especially in PLO where equities are so thin anyway.
LOL.
12-13-2011 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SoLost
I mean it's just getting kinda ridiculous how stupid people can be in this thread.

PLO is a swingy as hell game, when he's winning 1.8 million over 48 hours HES RUNNING VERY HOT, when he loses a big amount HES RUNNING VERY BAD.

Yes, he tilts like a mother****er, we all know this. But every single time he loses like 10 buyins by bluffing into the nuts everyone's like JESUS HE'S TILTING SO HARD, what they don't realise is that when he's bluffing and people are folding he was running hot. His swings are obviously increased by his tilt but most of it is just variance.

Even a hugely tilted isildur isn't 'meant' to lose freaking 20 buyins or whatever in 2000 hands, especially in PLO where equities are so thin anyway.

Obviously tiltnonstop is just a huge troll who should be ignored, but damn people you really need to get a grip on variance. Someone losing a bunch of buyins != automatic tilt, and someone winning a ton of buyins != automatic ownage.
Obviously there is a ton of variance in PLO but he plays so terrible when he's tilting he's destined to lose. It's not hard to run into the nuts in PLO when you 3-bet every hand, never fold to a single 3-bet, and pot every flop like he's done in the past when tilted. Did he run good today? No. Did he make it much worse by tilting and playing bad? Yes!
12-13-2011 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MattDaBeast
Obviously there is a ton of variance in PLO but he plays so terrible when he's tilting he's destined to lose. It's not hard to run into the nuts in PLO when you 3-bet every hand, never fold to a single 3-bet, and pot every flop like he's done in the past when tilted. Did he run good today? No. Did he make it much worse by tilting and playing bad? Yes!
Yeah you're right, but I already said this in my post. He would clearly have MUCH smaller downswings if he tilted less, but:

-not as much as people think ITT and
-a lot of the time people think hes tilted he probably isn't (or not nearly as much as they think)

It's juts like, i've been railing and will see him make sick vbets and make people fold a lot on the river, and then he'll be playing EXACTLY the same but lose 8 buyins because his vbets run into the top of people's range and same with his bluffs and everyone like OMG WHY DOES HE TILT SO MUCH.

Which tilts me.
12-13-2011 , 05:44 AM
Dogg11 is one of the most solid and untilted mid-highstakes player and he just said in one of his video hes 40k bellow ev @ plo where you are always all in. Thats from 2/4 and 3/6..

imagine a crazy mofo like isil.. -500k for him is like a 1bi downswing for a normal guy
12-13-2011 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SoLost
Yeah you're right, but I already said this in my post. He would clearly have MUCH smaller downswings if he tilted less, but:

-not as much as people think ITT and
-a lot of the time people think hes tilted he probably isn't (or not nearly as much as they think)

It's juts like, i've been railing and will see him make sick vbets and make people fold a lot on the river, and then he'll be playing EXACTLY the same but lose 8 buyins because his vbets run into the top of people's range and same with his bluffs and everyone like OMG WHY DOES HE TILT SO MUCH.

Which tilts me.
I see what you're saying and I agree with much of it. I guess people, myself included, are tired of seeing him tilt when he's running bad even if we overestimate how much of the losing is actually attributed to tilt.

I think this hand illustrates you're point about running good. Everyone thinks he's a genius when he's right here, but if he was wrong people would think he's tilting.

Poker Stars $100/$200 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MrSweets28 (BB): $73476.00
Isildur1 (BTN/SB): $74570.00

Pre Flop: ($300.00)
Isildur1 raises to $600, MrSweets28 calls $400

Flop: ($1200.00) 8 6 A (2 players)
MrSweets28 checks, Isildur1 bets $1000, MrSweets28 raises to $3400, Isildur1 calls $2400

Turn: ($8000.00) K (2 players)
MrSweets28 bets $6800, Isildur1 calls $6800

River: ($21600.00) J (2 players)
MrSweets28 checks, Isildur1 bets $21598, MrSweets28 raises to $62676 all in, Isildur1 calls $41078

Final Pot: $146952.00
MrSweets28 shows 4 5 7 Q (high card Ace)
Isildur1 shows A 8 T T (two pair, Aces and Eights)
Isildur1 wins $146950.00
(Rake: $2.00)
12-13-2011 , 06:01 AM
refa passed ilari for biggest winner of the year on Stars
12-13-2011 , 06:02 AM
It seems Isildur plays at his best when his building a roll, and when his "there" its all downhill. Whenever he reaches ~mega he should cash out and build from scratch.

      
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