In view of the recent affair with "moneytaker69", I've decided to share the evidence in the case of fraud in spin and gold games on ggpoker.

First of all, I would just like to mention that I informed the security team about this practice several times, through various channels (mails, discord, affialiates).
Each time, however, I was ignored, they showed a lack of willingness to cooperate in any way and never did anything about it.

Getting to the point,
As you may know, spin and go games are in general hardly affected by cheaters with RTA systems/bots etc. During the last 2 years I was striving against many of suspicious players.

Analyzing the mechanisms of the engines on which rta systems are based, I have noticed that it rounds sizings to adjust them to a closer one which is already calculated. So for example:

When BU mr, sb fold and a player on BB make 3b,
the program compare his 3bet sizing with the closer, available one.

Basically, RTA doesnt have a solution for e.g. min 3bet sizing preflop which is interprating as a bigger size.
I decided to check it IRL and here is how it looks:





In general, according to my analisis, cheaters have around 30-40% fold equity here on big samples.
For human players its very obvious and mathematically based that min3bet size generates almost 0 fold equity (we need less then 20% eq).


Dozens of accounts from all stakes are involved in this practice - it's impossible to count, because here, again, scammers abandon their old accounts and create new ones all the time.

In the extreme case, these two players included in my screenshots have been using it for more than 2 years - making huge volume almost every day , despite reports from the entire community. I have plenty of similar screenshots against them and many different opponents.


I would like to emphasize that this is just the tip of the iceberg of this problem since we can only detect the less watchful fraudsters this way.
In addition, this is not the only dirty issue in spin and golds, let me mention the hundreds of Brazilian accounts appearing for a couple of weeks and disappearing, thus taking advantage of the PVI system.

GG doesn't care unless they're superusing. In which case they'll address it once the community calls it out.

Its very common in spins to fold to a small 3bet. It doesn't matter how much direct % you need to call, generally that move is just a super strong range and its just an exploit fold.

Not saying you are wrong, just saying what i know from past experience.

This.

This is not near enough evidence to throw out an accusation of foul play.

I don’t know the meta game of this pool but this could reasonably be a deliberate play because this min3b range is extremely overpair heavy.

Guys, please read it carefully.

Im not saying about a few folds vs min3b play but a solid database with more 300 attempts for each player, sometimes a few in a row during one session.

At the same time I emphasize these guys are suspicious because of their inhuman GTO lines by many high stakes regs.

Former spin&go reg here who made it from micro to 1000$ spin&goes.

I'm saying you are wrong, just saying what I know from past experience.

Not saying everybody did this, but in the pools i played significant part of the reg population did this.
Avg recs. min/small 3bet was just so often big pair, let alone bad regs.

But i played mid levels and nowhere near $1ks.

We’re not saying you’re necessarily wrong. We’re saying just a database of people overfolding to min3bets by itself is not very convincing evidence of cheating to the outside world.

Did what? Constatly folding on every blinds from every position vs min3b? Hand by hand?

I can see that happening with someone who mindlessly masstables and a lot of moves are very simplified.
These rb whores rarely change their strategy or adjust.

Ridiculous. Im not saying about one random fold but about the pattern based on many hands during one session

Yeah. This was def justifiable play at hu hypers at times at those stack depths.

I have no idea what the meta game is at spins currently and this very well might be crazy. But by itself is not evidence of cheating to the outside world.

4 hands like that in 5min.
As I said, my database is full of that.

I dont know what kind of evidence do you need, "RTA" in the nickname?

Anyone who is good at at the highest stakes games in spins or even lower is not going to fold much to a min 3b. This is pretty clear evidence of some kind of botting in my opinion.

its deffo very sus, exploit the bots and mr 3bet every hand vs them im very sus but maybe the sample needs to be a bit bigger, these 3bet nai at shorter stacks arent so sus because that is SOOO strong in the spins meta, but as deeper its deffo more sus

I could be misunderstanding the situation here, but just FYI the word "hardly" means "barely" or "not much at all"

I'm pretty sure this is mainstream but...