WHy does two plus two quickly hide this thread in the back of their forums? Sure it's very direct but are you scared the public will become aware of the triths about gambling and addiction? What are you protecting? This is a very good topic to discuss and I would of thought moving it to NVG would of been relevant, not stuffing it somwhere in the back of your forums. This is a very good and honest post that deserves attention. Sorry if it's not good for promoting the game. I know people who have emailed party poker asking for accoubt closures because they are fee up not playing in fair ganes and those emails go ignored. There is a serious problem here with these sites and the regulators are faikibg badly not Upholding these people to any standardshttp://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...d-fbi-1674527/

Lol NVG the back of the forums

Click the link to understand.

they probably just think that there is a forum here on 2+2 that is more specific to this topic

AFAIC it is not a poker sites responsibility to keep you from getting addicted. Just as it is not the govt's responsibility to keep you from getting addicted from any other thing that is "addictable (sp?)" in the real world.

It looks like he thread is in the right place to me. From reading it, it seems ACR was - at least in the past - not very good at controlling "irresponsible gambling" (wherease other well regulated sites have good self-exclusion policies as required by law) but the ACR rep has said the site is in the process of changing how it deals with addicts that want to quit.

As to the wider issue, it's not news to say that poker (both online and off) is peopled by a proportion of "problem gamblers" that need help to change their behaviour.

If someone is mentally ill that's their problem, not the rest of the world's problem.

Some of my best sessions have come against problem gamblers. I say let them play

But the government IS responsible for making laws that have been proven to kill people because of said persons addictions ie drugs.

No its not. Drug and alcohol prohibition have been responsible for more deaths by a factor of ten than all addiction-related deaths combined.

How do you figure that? I'd love to hear your line of thinking on this.

uh we are agreeing i think. My point is that the war on drugs has caused laws to be created that have killed drug abusers, not to mention lax laws regarding "legal" drugs like oxy.

I"m for the legalization of drugs if that helps clear things up.

OP: Get some help. At some point you need to be the one taking some accountability for these addictions. Wish you the best.

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Americas Card room is operating illegally and even processing payment transactions in an illegal manner. No one truly regulates this site, so if the management were going to cheat its player they could easily get away with it. Would be a really bad idea if any one here has substantial money on there.

The dead giveaway is the ceo is like your average joe living in his moms basement (see yt interview), you are gonna tell me this guy isnt incentived to cheat and get even more money if opporunity presents itself?? I would caution people to be very careful of playing on sites like this. Or any site that offers poker to Americans at the moment, its simply not to be trusted.

Its not just a matter of them having bad protocol related to people with gambling problems --- something any regulated site should have figured out already. As self exclusion means self exclusion no going back. Everyone can make their own choice about supporting unregulated sites such as ACR where the risk seems absurdly high and the upside seems quite small with all the new poker bots and programs that are causing the quick skill gap to widen at an alarming rate. Most importantly, there is no governing body that oversees ACR management, its the wild wild west and people need to realize that with these sites that offer americans poker.

You got the right idea here. I'm sure that "the public" will become aware of gambling addiction from a post on a gambling forum that only gamblers will see. So. Much. Protection.

SOrry my ENGLISH is not the greatest but i try

I'm sure you know that you got your point across just fine. Your point is just laughable.

Poker is the game of life and just like life, there are winners and there are losers. Everybody cannot be a superstar/celebrity, somebody has to clean the bathrooms.

Addictable is a nice new word but maybe addictive is what you mean? Unless I'm being 'urbandictionaried'?

Is this a joke? didn't know snowflakes were in poker too. How can that "linked" thread be serious. "my mom called" wtf get some help and don't ruin it for the rest of us.

I'm actually spending MORE money on gambling post black Friday. When I was able to play online, I could deposit $50, play the micros, and that $50 could last me 2-3 weeks. Now if I want to play poker, I need to go to a casino. Closest one is 2 hrs away and the lowest game they play is a 2-10 with a full kill. If I'm driving 4 hours, I'm playing at least 4 hours, so there have been sessions where I won $400 to $500 and sessions where I've lost $400 to $500. I would never lose that much online line in 3 months let alone one session. Bringing back online would save me a crap load of money.

see ya at the casino soon enough

Same reason why my I'm spending more on hookers now days. I used to blame inflation, but I realized it was inflammation.

That guy was completely insane ... if you have a problem that severe you probably should have your internet access and what not limited ... the fact that he thinks the responsibility of ending his addiction lies with the sites that provide these games is unreal. He admitted to depositing over 14k in one video to ACR . That does not happen overnight man

While this may be an extreme case that we're inclined to brush off given OP's hysteria, I do think poker needs more sober, honest discussions about compulsive gambling.

It's easy to talk about personal responsibility, and this is no doubt well-worth emphasizing, but the conversation obviously needs to be deeper than that. If we speak openly and honestly, no doubt we'll touch upon some uncomfortable truths. Just how many of the players 25-ish people like myself revered at the height of the poker boom are broke now? Just how many of the people we've all looked up have bios riddled with "degen stories."

The romantic ethos of poker, and the industry built around it to give it a mainstream appeal, often obscures many basic, fundamental facts about how this economy operates.
The plain fact is that many of us, especially live players, earn much of our money exploiting the psychological failings of other people. The more I play live, the more I discover that many of the "fun" social players at my table who I assumed had barrels of money and didn't care about losing were really in the process of doing irreparable harm to their own lives and their loved ones, simply because of the chase. Again, we can't blame ourselves for this, and we don't need to become moral masochists...but we can and should have real conversations about this, even if only occasionally.

As a society, we've learned about the psychology and neuroscience of addictions and most of us have learned that these facts demand a response beyond calling someone addicted to opioids a "junkie" and telling them to get their life together. We should become similarly enlightened with respect to poker....at least if we're not willing to 1) delude ourselves or 2) cease pretending to care about the suffering of others. Poker will always be Darwinistic in nature...the question is how do we find the equilibrium between keeping poker fun, open, and profitable and not sucking every last drop out of the weakest and most vulnerable. I think there is an answer here...

There are plenty of resources available to those suffering from gambling addiction ... maybe going on a forum dedicated to gambling and poker is the last place said person should be spending his time . It all points back to him ......