PETA was the inspiration for the name of my Salmon slaying boat, Sea Kitten -

http://features.peta.org/PETASeaKittens/

Your argument is based on animals having consciousness/feelings. There is no evidence that they do. Also, there is no proof that a vegan diet is more healthy than a ->well-balanced<- non-vegan diet. You sound just as close-minded as the "numbskulls" you are complaining about.

i think apes and orangutans have feelings and conciousness, but we dont eat them, they are like 97% same DNA as human

dolphins also seem pretty smart?


lets just not eat those but eat the rest.

Auca, have you ever stood next to an animal or been in the same room as one? There is your proof, my friend .

Yeah exactly. And that guy's re tarded

Indeed. You guys should really try to be more like anonimouse.

Ok, I'll do it

Hi Daniel!

Umm, besides being completely obvious through basic observation, there is an abundance of academic evidence which proves not only that they have feelings (like pain, loss, sorrow, confusion); but the nature of those feelings, how they are expressed, how they effect the animal's behaviour and social groups, etc.

What on earth motivates people to just outright claim there's no evidence for stuff about which they very clearly understand squat? I get that it's easier to just run your mouth [fingers] without wasting time on educating yourself - but even a 10 second Google would've steered you away from that post, come on man

(Having said that, PETA is a horrible and unethical organisation, and any animal-rights activist supporting them is doing a disservice to the cause. DN should be ashamed for lending them some credibility imo)

Peta stance on pets= better off dead than a well cared for pet.

Peta buys dogs and cats and kills them...

Racist??? get real. Thats like saying black people cant sing "white" songs. You are a racist.

Bobo for mo.........oh wait. I think I'm doing it wrong

English is not my first language so maybe feelings is not the right word. I meant feelings as in in complex conscious subjective emotions such as jealousy, hate, etc. That's why I wrote consciousness/feelings. Did you only read that one word in my post? Please point me to conclusive evidence that animals have consciousness and/or that a vegan diet is more healthy than a well-balanced non-vegan diet

Not sure can anyone confirm the date for this kind gentleman?

a) I never said vegan diets more healthy; I don't think they are necessarily.

b) Click here for literally the first thing that comes up to a Google of "Do animals have consciousness?". I mean really. I'm sure you can branch out on your own from there. Go ahead and laugh at me for referencing Google as my 'conclusive evidence' - or do ten minutes of research and learn something. Your call

Spoiler:
"At this gathering, called The Francis Crick Memorial Conference, a number of scientists presented evidence that led to this self-obvious conclusion. It's difficult to believe that those who have shared their homes with companion animals didn't already know this. And, of course, many renowned and award-winning field researchers had reached the same conclusion years ago"

And if you branch out from the first few google results you will see that animal consciousness (and the level of consciousness) still is a highly discussed question. I'm not sure what I personally belive.. Anyways, this is getting off topic. Pm me if you want to discuss animal consciousness

i guarantee you a chicken is about as smart as a rock, it doesnt feel anger or hate, jelousy etc.

i dunno why but food animals like mr.cow pig and chicken all seem fine to eat.

large animals and domesticated animals seem way smarter, and more unlikely that we want to consume them.

but who knows maybe cat is tasty

chickens can problem solve, and your response was barely english.

Unless you have owned chickens I have no idea how you could know this.

Hint: you're dead wrong.

The thing is: I'm sure pretty much everyone in this thread has felt discriminated against in some way. Maybe it was race, sex, age, the way they look, being able to play poker in your country, class status, heritage, whatever.

And I know you guys obviously wouldn't like people straight up flaming a guy who is standing up for your rights.

That's what Daniel is doing here for the animals. Daniel is standing for a group of (God's) beings who's lives basically suck before they get slaughtered. That seems like a pretty legit and selfless cause to stand up for.

But if people were flaming whoever was standing up for your guy's particular causes I'm sure you would be up in arms. Now I don't blame you guys, we've all been there- but regardless of your thoughts on eating meat, your negative comments towards Daniel simply reek of short-sighted ignorance that I know you guys will get over as you grow up, but I'm just pointing it out here right now to maybe help you get over it a little more quickly.

I currently own one and a half chickens.

Animals eat other animals.

Animals kill other animals for things other than just food (protecting their turf, vying for a mate, etc.).

So, it PETA against the carnivorous animals as well, lol? Are their hearts bleeding for the Gazelle over the Lion?

I do think hunting for sport is absolutely disgusting and even hunting and killing things that you eat is borderline. For those that absolutely need to hunt for their food, which is not many people left in the world today other than 3rd world nations, very rural areas, areas above 60d North or below 60d south etc., I can see it. However, when you have options of going to the store for meat that was bred specifically for food, no reason to shoot a wild animal to get your blood thirst on.

Other than fish and other seafood, we breed about 95% of the animals specifically for food. These 'beings' would not exist if it weren't for them being bred to eat, so I do not see any issues with eating your standard beef, chicken, or pork. The conditions of said farms/factories and some of the treatment of the animals is another story. I do agree that needs to get better, but just the belief that you should not eat meat is absurd. If you think it is healthier for you, that is one thing, but to do it because you don't want to support the killing of animals, that it another. For all the Jesus freaks, we were designed by God (we evolved to) specifically to eat other meat as part of our diet. Hunters and gatherers, hunters and gatherers.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsjgM_GME-Y

1:00 in

My brother owns chickens. They are decently intelligent, it just seems they are stupid because they have so many predators (foxes, coyotes, hawks etc) So people probably assume they are dumb cause they are always getting eaten.

If you ever owned a chicken you'd know when a predator is around the alpha chicken warns the other chickens to go inside.

Very good interview and Tyson is one of my favorite 'science communicators'. However, none of that interview had anything to do with eating meat as part of our diet. It was more about how we treat animals in general and our own ethics. There is a huge difference between the two. I would think 99% of the people in this forum share similar beliefs about how we do/should treat animals in general, but a descent split about the eating of meat in general.

The alpha chicken bahahahaha