They can't show net because registration info is generally unavailable.

For a brief time, WSOP posted registration info online. I think this was mainly for players to look up seat draws, but it made it possible to surmise who had registered for an event and bricked. Someone set up a website that aggregated this data and let you track net profit/losses over the summer. For example, Tom Dwan had bracelet bets that summer and went like 0/40. WSOP didn't like this and discontinued the practice.

Daniel recently admitted to being a net loser over the last few years, despite having cashed for millions of dollars. This surprised a lot of people, I guess because they don't realize how quickly entry fees can add up. A lot of live MTT pros that you think are ballers are in similar boats, and to Daniel's credit, none of them are as transparent about it.

Also dn has been known to fire up to 4-5 bullets in some high rollers, adds up pretty quick

When USA players have to pay taxes on the income at the end of the year, I don’t see much of a career grinding high stakes tournaments.

I think large field 10k tournaments where a person can bink the big score are actually more practical.

The real money in poker long term is in being invited to the private high stakes games where the steady income is found.

Holy **** the DNegs hate is real. Lots of failed/salty poker players here.

There is no denying his tournament success, although playing an unlimited tournament bankroll detracts from this a bit.

He brought it on himself with his bullying, zero public contrition when proven wrong, and insincerity. Now he runs and hides from any discussion that he doesn't agree with by blocking you on his Twitter. What a man.

We are still talking of the guy that stated he was ok with someone taking a baseball bat to HL.

Aside from the baseball bat thing, don't you think he deserves some respect for speaking out against the Full Tilt doucheclowns?

I had said he'd not won a bracelet in America for 10 years. Was the 013 Europe €25,600 High Roller No Limit Hold'em held in America? I rest my case.

He lost it with the bat thing.

renegs speaks out against people he doesn't like and protects people he does like. there's no actual predictive value in his opinion on anything because he is so far up his own ass that he has completely lost perspective on the truth

In the end, all of these pros are real people, with real flaws. Tweets and facebook and whatnot will eventually lead to cringy moments from everyone.

Personally, I admire the poker accomplishments, and watch and enjoy the poker related content from stars such as DN and Doug Polk.

I’m sure I could have a beer (or a vitamin shake or whatever) with either one of them and enjoy about 10 minutes of conversation.

Beyond that, they are just successful professional poker players, not role models to look up to on a pedestal.

Here are the results:
https://fullcontactpoker.com/year-end-results/
+more or less guaranteed profitable 2018 now

And yeah I get Dneg's shill+pettiness
Doug's points, shameless clickbait masterful attention whoring and now burnout
Even Sirius' a tad nerdy justice warrior approach
Jey's awesome chaos
And I love and watch 'em all
I think it's great there's talented people like these four are bringing content to the poker community, and I sure hope they don't stop.

Ouch!

40 BI downswing in MTTs! Unheard of!

LOL you try and go on a 1.2 milly downswing. I'd lose my ****ing mind.

I think people that give PH and Dnegs crap for their attitude (the justified rake/PS Shill and UB scandal aside) don't understand how massive of a factor longevity is and them grinding through swings over the years. I think some level of self induced delusion is vital without massive swaps etc. like the germans do otherwise brain would go crazy through the years like that, so it's probably actually key to their success.

Doug seems a lot more grounded for example, but failed to handle the pressure of poker and burnt out to the point that it's hard to even make vids about it at this point for him, much less actually play, even though he has undeniably higher strategic talent than Dnegs. Talent for the game that is just wasted


Injecting some self-deluding optimism and sense of grandeur and creating a bubble around yourself might just be an important lesson Daniel and PH can give us about longevity in the taxing game of poker

He doesn't pay for his own buy-ins.

Well technically he does, he gets a salary from stars etc. not tournament buyins it's been said. But try losing day after day, tournament after tournament as a public figure under scrutiny for a full year

This seems impressive, albeit a very small sample that a lot of online players get within a month easily and are almost a coinflip to win money but still.

Then you look at 2014 where he got 2nd in a $1M donkament for $8,3M.

So he's up 8 buy ins basically. Remove that one tourney and he basically wins a little over $1M or about 10% ROI. Is this the "tournament crusher" we're talking about?

It says clearly 'Avg Buy In $56,855' - meaning a profit of $7,100,164 would make him up 125 avg buyins. You can't just take the biggest tournament and act as if it's his standard buyin, especially in small sample sizes like this.

This is actually a fair assessment of the results. And yes I absolutely ****ing can and should exclude a result that is so far above his average buy in with a net profit of 7 buy ins because it pollutes the whole data set. If 1 tournament affects the results from being barely profitable to 100% ROI then it doesn't mean anything, can you understand that?

I may vehemently disagree with some (most) of DNegs political positions etc., but there is simply no denying he is one of the elite poker players across all of the game variants. And he has more than proven he can win at the highest levels in NLH against the new-fangled "GTO lab-rat" players as well.

If I were to ever FT the Main, or something similar, and I could pick one name to help coach me for a few sessions, DNegs would certainly be on my shortlist of names. As long as he didn't speak a word of politics lol!

Personality flaws come with the package.

I find DN to be less rude than most of the players I interact with at cash games and I generally think he's entertaining on TV, so I am willing to give him a pass for the occasion odd comment. I also appreciate that he brings new players into the game through his internet and tv appearances; on balance his impact is quite positive.

When did this happen? From what I understand he hasn't play NLHE cash online in forever.