how are there no winners?
as a former dneg nut hugger i've been entertained greatly by polks shenanigans and that's his goal....
if the rake increases/sne debacle had affected negranus bottom line i have no doubt in my mind he would have /quit jumped shipped to party or 888 and would have buried stars till the cows came home

don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with being a stars shill if thats what he wants to do but this bs 'i have integrity, morals and the players backs' needs to stop

Why do mason/david (not sure which one or both) have a problem with Dnegs? Is it the SNE thing? Or did it come before this? If anyone can provide links to a thread where it all started it would be much appreciated, same goes for cliffs. Thanks

not letting dnegs pimp the charity scam he was involved with here probably has something to do with it

You misread me, I think DNegs is fine.

I just think he looks like a complete tool giving that interview lying down like that. Sit the hell up, say rake is going up, but maybe will not be as bad as you think.

Then on the other side the billboard is beyond dumb

No winners imo

Thanks interesting read

Oh the ironing. Ostensibly all this rage was for the crime of tersely declining the promotion of a charity scam. So bizarre. What did you actually do Mason? Check raise him too many times when he was a kid?

And I like how that thread just ends with radio silence from Daniel.

What ever happened to this John Sepulveda character? Still a crook or found Jesus?

Hi otoku$aki:

Actually, my response was not terse. In fact, it was close to what Negreanu suggested. My exact words to JASEP1980, who I think is the same person who scammed the money were:

“I’m sorry but it’s 2+2 policy not to support any charities.”

Best wishes,
Mason

The WSOP Vlogs are great, especially for those who play games other than NLHE.

But, I'd appreciate it if Daniel would stop including his workouts in the videos.

Stick to poker, a little hockey since VGKs are in the Stanley Cup, and maybe some personal stuff.

After it came out that the money was scammed, we sent a polite letter to FullContactPoker.com asking them to remove the thread. But we never got a response and the thread is still there.

As for Sepulveda, who is someone I never met, I did hear he was going to try to pay people back. As to whether he did any of this is something I have no information on.

Best wishes,
Mason

A few years later he was tracked down, and it became apparent that his friends and family would soon be aware of his misdeeds. So he started making monthly payments. He has since paid most (or all?) of it back.

Why does Daniel hate you so much, Mason? It's apparent from that thread that he's harboring a lot of resentment, and not just because he disagrees with a website policy. I heard recently there's some history that goes back to RGP?

What a child. It's funny seeing someone so chatty giving the silent treatment. Talk about a being poor sport, he didn't even have a laugh when Doug Polk broke out that t-shirt. He could have totally disarmed/owned that moment had he chosen to, instead it was full blown sourpuss masquerading as intense focus (not that he was faking being focused, nits, but he was clearly sulking too.) The pro move would have been to just roll with the punches and a have a laugh at his own expense wrt his stupid rake comment. Pride's a funny thing.

Yeah would have been easy to diffuse all of that. Just take a selfie pointing to it with the thumbs up or something

This is the public info that I'm aware of.

From Mason Malmuth's September 2015 debut on the Poker Life Podcast:

1:03:02 to 1:07:15 and 1:08:54 to 1:14:43



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For those who are interested in what turned some prominent contributors of this forum against Daniel Negreanu, that happened in March 2012 when DNegs outright attacked Mason, 2+2, moderators, and the company as a whole.

Daniel's "rant" was absolutely unnecessary and in very poor taste IMO. And of course the charity money vanished (as referenced and linked-to several times in this thread).



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If I may add some insight from my professional experiences dealing with "charitable cause" requests as the former head mod of P5s (2008-2011)... here is a post I made on the topic in Nov 2010.

https://www.pocketfives.com/f13/foru...ts-etc-607601/

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In total, this is about a half-hour of viewing & reading, but should provide background info for anyone relatively unfamiliar with the dispute between Daniel Negreanu and 2+2/Mason/forum posters.

What are you talking about here? Whatever it is, it’s something that’s new to me. Perhaps you could be a little more specific.

The first time I remember being attacked by Negreanu was in 1999. Going from memory, on RGP, he claimed to have played in a $30-$60 limit game with me at The Horseshoe during the WSOP where I had all sorts of problems including being on tilt. (I don’t believe i’ve ever played poker with him, but in 1999 I was just beginning to hear his name and didn’t know what he looked like.) I also remember him saying that there were no high limit players who would even talk to me which of course wasn’t true. I even had some direct correspodence with him at that time where I finally told him he was entitled to his opinion.

Best wishes,
Mason

Hi dhubermex:

I think the Negreanu rant is slightly misrepresented. It had nothing to do with the charity money that disappeared. It had to do with something that I think was called “ipoker” that he had been promoting and which one of our moderators had given him a one time ban.

By the way, I think when I first spoke negatively of Negreanu on Joey’s podcast, he was quite surprised and didn’t agree. But today I suspect his opinion has changed.

Best wishes,
Mason

Thanks for clarifying this, Mason. I believe I wrote about this in a Sept 2015 article, and the correlation between these two events was likewise misrepresented. If that's the case, I'll request that this information be modified with a retraction. IIRC it's a piece I wrote for PokerUpdate, but I'm not able to access it and apparently that writeup has been offline for a while.

I asked what happened to John Sepulveda only a few posts before. Srsly assumed we'd be able to parse that without having to quote my post.

Oh, "Srsly" is SrslySirius. A 2+2 poster here.

Oh, "2+2" is twoplustwo, your company.

Yes. That makes sense.

Mason

The reason for his behaviour is a question only he can accurately answer. Anything we can come up with is pure conjecture. When I talk to Mason, he has no idea for the reason behind the hate.

Here is my take on it. Negreanu will latch on to anything he can without one bit of fact checking and use it to attack Mason. Every time in recent memory, the item he latched on to ended up being incorrect, or incomplete information, eventually proved to be wrong, and was an invalid reason to attack us.

Years ago, I banned him for a single day for blatant spamming and he went full ballistic and made the banhammer video. Prior to the ban he was even asked and warned via PM to stop promoting, then he continued to promote/spam, ignoring the PMs, leading to a one day ban. Anyone else does something like that if they are an established poster, they get a multi-day ban, new members would have been perma-banned.

Right before he returned to the forum I ran into him at the airport where we on the same flight to California and hugged it out. We even had a laugh over the fact that he wasted a couple days of his life putting together an insult rant video towards me, someone who has zero stature in the tournament poker world. Negreanu admitted that he over-reacted and I was just doing my job. He never stated that publicly and never retracted any of his insults. I did suggest that he take down the insult thread on his forum, but Daniel never retracts anything.

A few weeks after his return to 2+2 and with his Choice Center thread not going well, maybe as a deflection, he used a Dutch Boyd insult video, as an opening to take shots at Mason on Twitter. That prompted my "I'm disapoint" tweet given that I was very disappointed by his action after our mending of the fences. Once again the vehicle he used to launch his attack at Mason was shown to be inaccurate, as proven later by the Dutch Boyd apology letter.

He bailed on posting on 2+2 in 2016 when things were not going his way and folks figured out that the emperor has no clothes. His account is still open here.

One other note. I used to run the fulfillment for Pokerstars FPP store for autographed poker books. All the other authors were very accommodating. If they were local they would come to my office every couple weeks and personalize the books. Others would do it at home and ship the books out for me.

Not Daniel, he was too busy and too important to travel to my Henderson office. I arranged to deliver and pick up books to his house. Even with that service he would frequently take a couple months to complete a batch of books. FPP customers were not happy with this long wait and after getting tired of their complaints, they stopped the program. This resulted in the loss of jobs of two full time employees. Black Friday would have eventually ended it but in my opinion, he was responsible for its early demise.

man I was praising daniel for his play in the super highroller bowl
And then he just punts off stack with 33 in the 100k xD

Last hand of the SHB wasn't pretty

That was not nearly as bad as people make it out to be in terms of EV in a Hu pot with chip deficit when facing a player with a big edge in you