Yikes! That's a huge oversimplification of the Prahlad/Seebok UB story. UB's ownership not only allowed superusers but actually participated in the theft. They then tried to cover it up, covered for the guilty (Hamilton and others) and hugely under-reported the losses to players. Not to mention that Prahlad was one of the players who had a huge amount of money stolen from him (I have heard into 7 figures). As someone who lost a substantial amount of money due to the superusers (into 6 figures) I find the comparison to SNE debacle to be a bit insulting. Further, UB wasn't "millions of dollars" - even UB estimated it at 20 million and that was their attempt at minimizing the losses that they might have to repay.

That is not to say that the SNE issue was not scummy and wrong just that it was nowhere near the level of what happened at UB and the aftermath with Prahlad and Seebok. Your dislike of DN seems to have caused you to over reach in making that analogy which is only applicable on the shallowest of levels. Let me be clear that I am no fan of the way that DN has acted in representing Stars but that in no way rises to the level of what Prahald and Seebok did in drawing players back to a completely corrupt organization for financial gain - even if they really believed that they could help.

As one of many impacted by UB, I don't like to see that issue minimized like this and I am sure that others who were stolen from would likely agree. If you really think the two situations are analogous you should go back and read some of the old UB threads on this site.

DN is the only one vloggiing every day atm and vlogging all of it. Again, i'm waiting for people on this forum to post a better WSOP vlog that you dont have to pay for. Please post it. Thanks.

What I said was accurate. The SNE debacle was a multi-million dollar scam.

Of course, nowhere did I say that it's on the same level or degree of shadiness. I'm not sure why you're putting those words in my mouth. Obviously the superusing scandal as much worse. I also lost a lot of money to UB, you don't need to make these emotional appeals. I said the situations are similar. Like two triangles of the same shape but different sizes.

The self-serving "I'm taking this paycheck so I can fight from the inside!" BS that Sebok fed us is almost word-for-word what Daniel said when explaining why he reneged on his vow to step down. This is pretty ironic considering how much he hated Sebok for doing that.

First, let me say again that I am not minimizing the SNE situation.

However, I in no way put words in your mouth. What you said was

When you use the same or similar language to describe two things you are, indeed, equating the two. I find it hard to believe that you didn't know exactly what you were insinuating - own it.

Above you stated

Nowhere in that post did you use the word "similar" so I am not sure why you are claiming that is what you said.

As to me "making an emotional appeal" - seriously? There was no emotion involved at all. Instead it was from someone who was actually familiar with the situation. If, as you stated, you too lost money then your analogy is all the more ridiculous.

Frankly, if you want to attack DN that is your business and I have no reason to become involved. However, when you clearly misrepresented actual facts to do so I felt the need to do so. Particularly when it was in response to a poster who obviously knew nothing about the situation.

In conclusion,

Own it - you knew exactly what you were doing (media presentation is your profession after all). Claiming that you said the two situations were "similar" when you said no such thing is just silly.

Stick to silly t-shirts and billboards to "help the poker community" at least those are accurate albeit childish.

Hi Dr. Meh:

We don’t collect that information, and while I agree that 95 percent is way too high, many of our posters/readers are in their 20s and 30s.

Best wishes,
Mason

SS and Polk's crusade against Daniel ceased being about helping the community long ago. It's now nothing but a petty points scoring exercise, and they're losing.

Try scrolling up a bit.

+1

Anyone who could mix it up with Ivey and Dwan at their height and has adjusted to the game to still be in the mix up top after all these years? Gotta give him some credit for that.

Hi Pete:

I disagree. The word is getting out that there’s another side to Negreanu that needs to be looked at. Remember, that there are many years of positive PR that need to be overcome for many people, perhaps including yourself, to look at the complete story.

Best wishes,
Mason

Not the same post in which you were allegedly explaining the situation to someone who knew nothing about it but, of course, you knew that.

This whole situation reminds me of ADZ. You kept going after that kid who clearly was mentally ill for whatever reason as if it was funny. Maybe you enjoy being a bully. Clearly if you were actually interested in "protecting the poker community" there are more mature and/or professional ways to do it.

I don't know what that billboard cost there but I do know from personal experience that in my area they go for at least 10k a month. Imagine if you and Doug had donated that money to a homeless shelter instead. Or, bought a struggling former SNE into the main event as a protest against Stars and DN.

As I said earlier, I remember the Stars of yesteryear and also find its (and DN's) behavior outrageous but your behavior smacks of locker room bullying. I suspect that someday when you are teaching your own children right from wrong you will regret your actions.


It is easy to bully unstable or unlikeable people - but you might actually get results if you acted like an adult.

lol what? The post you're harping on is a direct response to a question quoting the earlier post. That is how threads work. Do you expect me to nest the entire convo history into each post?

I took the ADZ video down years ago after it became apparent that he's mentally ill. It was meant to be lighthearted fun.

I honestly just hate PokerStars. I agree that Daniel is being a huge phony hypocrite lately, but that doesn't mean it has to be personal. He has escalated it and taken it as such, but that was his choice. I'm mainly in it for the lols.

The internet can be a rough place. People might even joke about things! Maybe lighten up a bit.

Yeah he does put out an entertaining product for free. He is very cringey in it though and that makes it hard to watch. Well produced though.

Who are you to tell someone else how they should spend their money? That's weak. I imagine Doug Polk has enough money he could donate 10k to a homeless shelter and buy some idiot into the main event and put up the billboard and still be ok. Whatever he does with his money it's is his money.

Just like at the poker table, you should refrain from commenting about what other people do with their money.

Maybe Doug Polk does give to the needy and you just dont know about it?

So if Daniel tipped 20k to the dealers and I know about it, then God is just like "Meh gfy".

Maybe those posts were just satire. I think we can all appreciate the irony in complaining about bullying while making numerous personal attacks even though I had been nothing but civil toward him. I get it now. Great job pghduilaw!

I was commenting on WHY he allegedly spent his money in that manner not HOW he spent his money. You clearly missed my point entirely.

Why would you care about ADZ? Dude seemed like a douche way before the mental health crisis. Been a long time but I'm pretty sure a lot of people had negative things to say about the guy.

If the billboard is electronic (LED) he could cycle it with his other famous line regarding resignation being on the table of PS didn't relent in the SNE screwing.

Hmm, I was not attacking you personally but your behavior.

At least you have admitted what you are doing versus pretending to be some objective observer as you did in you original post.

And, I love the just joking "lighten up" it seems to be the first response of most bullies. You equating me calling out your bullying with your behavior towards DN is laughable. You seem to be an expert at the false analogy.

As to ADZ if you claim that was light hearted you are deluding yourself. I remember hearing that phone call and it couldn't have been more obvious how troubled he was - you want kudos for pulling it later? What clued you in? When he was suicidal? Or was it when he had to be institutionalized?

Not sure what DN's behavior towards you personally has been but if he acted towards you the way you act towards him I would call him on it as well.

I see no reason to continue this "debate" as you are clearly an internet tough guy who thinks it all LOLs to torture people.

Good luck with your future endeavors.

From time to time it has irked me that they never make the villain character a Canadian in the movies. It'd be so against type, or stereotype, and British villains are tired (creepy accents notwithstanding). I've always enjoyed watching DN play and liked his personality, and I feel like I'm having a "say it ain't so, Joe" moment. Or to use a fantastic Jamaican proverb I read in A Brief History of Seven Killings: if it no go so, it go near so. DN has always seemed like such an affable guy, but now that he's been exposed as being dishonorable I feel like I'm seeing a 140lbs version of the Canadian movie villain I had imagined: charming and friendly, but underneath the facade devious and ruthless. You've known him a long time, is he a flawed, careless person a la Tom and Daisy, or something worse? Iyo what is the complete story?

If we all knew what we wanted to know ...

I think DNegs really wants to 'just play poker' but in the previous years became intertwined with lots of outside influences and the changing landscape of poker. He is getting 'older' and probably making decisions from a different perspective than 15-20 years ago. He (and probably more so his agent) have navigated through the industry and somehow found a way to remain 'ultra' relevant when so many have fallen off.

You see Doug Polk 'faltering', Brian Hastings has had issues, VSelbst (and 'bestie' JMercier) have stepped away and now Cate Hall is already 'done' with poker.

Certainly a stretch (and no I don't want to discuss politics) but I liken DNegs' 'situation' to an incoming President/Senator. They run on a platform and ride the wave into office, only to find out how 'things are really done' once they get there and how limited their power/influence really is. So now the game of give and take becomes a daily chore. And then you try to do it for YEARS and YEARS with a changing landscape.

I wouldn't doubt that DNegs' contract with PokerStars is structured much different than other 'incoming'/current Pros, allowing him to venture off into his other projects with less restriction. I think both have found that even with differences that they both 'need' each other for the greater good (profit).

I think a lot of the the Pros have found out that being 'under contract' isn't so much fun and didn't have the outside presence that DNegs has around him to use in negotiating a looser leash. JMercier being one in particular. He clearly stated years ago that he wasn't in this for 'life' and that if he was lucky enough to build up a nest egg that he would be backing off.

Maybe a little off point here, but yes, I certainly do expect that DNegs has his own 'House of Cards' or skeletons in the closet. And if/when they come more to light they will be scrutinized much more since the poker world is much smaller than that of politics and (as in any forum) there are folks waiting in the wings looking to expose/drag things through the gamut of media for all to know.

Who, in any industry/forum, has put themselves out there more than DNegs does? Certainly he does so with profit in mind, but is it solely for profit or also with a passion for the game? Sometimes those conflict, thus gray area is created and toes get stepped on along the way.

Is DNegs the villain any more than the NYYankees? You have a fan base that loves him (to a fault)? And the rest of the 'industry' that wants to take their place. One thing is for sure, it gets talked about, create clicks and keeps things relevant .. and those things create opportunities for $$ no matter what side of the fence you are on. GL

Nobody going to mention Ivey calling him out on DNegs last vlog?

"Why are you acting so hyper?"

Felt like a clear call-out of DN being over the top/fake on the camera.

Ivey and Dnegs go way back and that's just ivey's personality to send a needle. Dnegs had been drinking in this instance.

My guess is that it's a littel bit of both. He profits from a boom in poker. Since he's at a high stakes level he needs people to start playing and come up through the ranks so that he can take their money.
The larger the player pool the more fish...and the more 'soft' players can make it to the level (through shere luck) where they play at stakes that makes it worthwhile to him to take their money.
(That's why I think this "more rake is better" actually makes sense from his point of view...because it protects the fish from being eaten/discouraged before some of them can become large enough to be his prey)

Now, would he have stuck with poker if there wasn't some love for the game itself? There's just so many that have taken the opposite path /make cash - drop out) that it's hard to imagine that he sees poker just as a means to an end. Particularly being vocal on the rule side of things wouldn't make sense to me from a purely profit oriented approach.

Having a trophy girlfriend is vury,vury expensive.

Having a billboard for this is completely laughable and demonstrates the bubble many poker players live in

But I also got a chuckle out of 10K for the homeless shelter or.......give the struggling ex SNE a Main Event buyin lol

DN’s video of him lying down is embarrassing too.

I appreciate the comedy, but no winners here imo

Finally, someone gets it. All for the lolz