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07-08-2024 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mixedgamelover
Fml. Now he thinks he's invented the 3 bet. Had to turn off the last 2 vlogs. He's really starting to annoy me. Especially with that stupid voice he puts on.
especially when he starts doing that "Daniel Daniel..." bit with the heavy canadian accent...he literally does it in every video and i just cant take it anymore so I'm thankful there are time breakdowns and lately i have just been watching certain parts of a video.
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07-08-2024 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by damian^
especially when he starts doing that "Daniel Daniel..." bit with the heavy canadian accent...he literally does it in every video and i just cant take it anymore so I'm thankful there are time breakdowns and lately i have just been watching certain parts of a video.
he's voices, impersonations and "comedy" make my ears bleed but overall he puts out some good content.
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07-09-2024 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MTTg
Is that some exploit vs fish to isolate them and play big pots in position?

It is GTO to 2-2.5x 3bet IP but is it the combination of short stacka and ICM? So close to the bubble and final tables mostly only? Short stack chipev 3bet wants to go close to 3x still?
I think its for deep stacked play early in tourneys without ICM pressure. Instead of going from 2.5bb to 7.5-8bb like normal, you go from 2.5bb to like 4.5bb. Vs the right opponents I can see this printing money. Not sure how its an high roller exploit though, except maybe GTO guys who have never studied it might not react well in the moment.

You do kinda see exploit "metas" come and go in the high roller scene. But its more about getting players out of their study, once these "exploits" get studied they stop working and someone else comes up with a new idea that will work for a bit until it gets figured out.
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07-09-2024 , 01:57 PM
First time i saw that at serious stakes was a few years ago. "Romeo pro" on Pokerstars used those sizings at highroller final tables, even when being oop.
Was funny to see people adjust to that, like bencb 4betting to a tiny size like 7.5bb with A3o, then folding to a shove with just 8bb behind. Of course that made sense due to ICM and other shortstacks at the table, i guess.

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07-09-2024 , 03:54 PM
High rollers have been using that strategy for years once ICM gets important.. Its nothing new. Using it deep stacked before ICM comes into play makes little sense in theory. You achieve more with a bigger size because A more fold equity with bluffs and B bigger pots on average with your good hands = more value. Giving your opponent a better prize to call your 3b is hardly going to be a good "exploit" against anyone.

That said, I liked how he played the AK hand against Pads (up until the 3b jam). He knows that he is at a range disadvantage and with an underrepped hand it makes sense that a good player will try to attack a theoretically nonsense turn donk. This is the kind of plays DNegs is actually pretty good at - thinking on the fly how his specific opponent will react to his play and trying to use that to outlevel.

The 3b jam was super bad though. He really thinks someone like Pads wont see through him and fold everything including AQ v his jam? DNegs is the kind of player who has 0 bluffs in spots like that and lets Pads give up 100% of his bluffs.
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07-09-2024 , 08:12 PM
Daniel doing good work as a cultural ambassador on the tv table.
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07-09-2024 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thomasmyspace
Daniel doing good work as a cultural ambassador on the tv table.
Ran out to grab some food. Is this sarcastic? Did I miss something good?
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07-09-2024 , 08:37 PM
Why Dnegs keeps using those shitty open tax small size 3bets? He has looked at a solver and could get coaching from top regs?


75bb eff.
LJ opens 7k (2.3bb)
CO flats 7k (2.3bb)
SB 3bets 21k (7bb)

In theory he should be going for around 11bb here. That is just WAY off, too much.

Hes playing OOP with deep stacks and has ZERO fold equity there. If you put that sht into a solver LJ has folds because player is behind and might have some back raises in theory? But after LJ folds solver would probably call range after flatting against that sizing when there is so much money in the pot and you get to play deep in position.

That just can not be good even tho hes thinking he is making some deviation to exploit his opps but no way that line has more EV even if you would nodelock basic fish tendencies in there.

I understand that the deepstacked open tax min 3bet exploit MIGHT be okay'ish in a setup like MP fish opens and you are in CO with marginal hand with good players in BU and BB. In spot like this you could open tax to get into headsup with fish and it makes some sense at least. But those shtty no FE 3bets from blinds he just cant get over, feels like he just wants to do things different from the GTO just for the sake it even tho his lines suck.

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07-09-2024 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MTTg
Why Dnegs keeps using those shitty open tax small size 3bets? He has looked at a solver and could get coaching from top regs?


75bb eff.
LJ opens 7k (2.3bb)
CO flats 7k (2.3bb)
SB 3bets 21k (7bb)

Hes playing OOP with deep stacks and has ZERO fold equity there. If you put that sht into a solver LJ has folds because player is behind and might have some back raises in theory? But after LJ folds solver would probably call range after flatting against that sizing when there is so much money in the pot and you get to play deep in position.

That just can not be good even tho hes thinking he is making some deviation to exploit his opps but no way that line has more EV even if you would nodelock basic fish tendencies in there.
He probably doesn't know anything about the game. Isn't he still under $54m lifetime earnings? Makes sense with plays like this. If he looked at a solver once in a while maybe he could break the top 5 all time money list. What a fish.
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07-09-2024 , 08:45 PM
That had to be a misclick.
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07-09-2024 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
He probably doesn't know anything about the game. Isn't he still under $54m lifetime earnings? Makes sense with plays like this. If he looked at a solver once in a while maybe he could break the top 5 all time money list. What a fish.
Yeah good point he has binked few live tournaments. There is multiple 8figure Hendon Mob business men who play like donks.
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07-09-2024 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MTTg
Yeah good point he has binked few live tournaments. There is multiple 8figure Hendon Mob business men who play like donks.
Definitely the same thing. You make very good points, keep up the valuable contributions.
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07-09-2024 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
Definitely the same thing. You make very good points, keep up the valuable contributions.
nobody disagrees with his historic results

but surely you must know that he's lifetime down several million online and is down this decade if you look at all his play

one of the most admirable things about him is he doesn't hide losses, you can see his annual "i cashed for 2.4 million but actually lost 1.7 million this year" annual recaps

so it's not at all controversial to point to the fact that he's net down last decade or so because he's very transparent and owns those losses

the game has passed him by and he's no longer a winning player
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07-09-2024 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
nobody disagrees with his historic results

but surely you must know that he's lifetime down several million online and is down this decade if you look at all his play

one of the most admirable things about him is he doesn't hide losses, you can see his annual "i cashed for 2.4 million but actually lost 1.7 million this year" annual recaps

so it's not at all controversial to point to the fact that he's net down last decade or so because he's very transparent and owns those losses

the game has passed him by and he's no longer a winning player
Buddy has made tens of millions in sponsorships by playing and acting a certain way. Part of the game imo. You can be Lena900 and stay under the radar and make money from the game, or you can be Negreanu and play a loud, sometimes suboptimal style and profit off of marketing ventures. Him and Hellmuth have this game figured out.
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07-09-2024 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
Buddy has made tens of millions in sponsorships by playing and acting a certain way. Part of the game imo. You can be Lena900 and stay under the radar and make money from the game, or you can be Negreanu and play a loud, sometimes suboptimal style and profit off of marketing ventures. Him and Hellmuth have this game figured out.
sure, but this wasn't what you were previously arguing
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07-09-2024 , 09:45 PM
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sure, but this wasn't what you were previously arguing
I agree with the small sizing being a mistake in this meta, I never said it wasn't. My argument is/was that asking if he "is getting coaching from top regs" is such a ridiculous point to make given how much he has profited in poker ventures.

If I was Shroud streaming to 40k viewers every stream and making millions/month, why would I find a top CS pro making $200k/year to train me? Who cares at that point?
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07-09-2024 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DC11GTR
Ran out to grab some food. Is this sarcastic? Did I miss something good?
A funny exchange with the chinese guy at the table, Mr Lu, where Daniel asked if he knew a different Chinese person (he didnt) then made fun of a third Chinese personís name
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07-10-2024 , 04:05 AM
Negreanu doing his best to min cash the Main Event.
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07-10-2024 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
I agree with the small sizing being a mistake in this meta, I never said it wasn't. My argument is/was that asking if he "is getting coaching from top regs" is such a ridiculous point to make given how much he has profited in poker ventures.

If I was Shroud streaming to 40k viewers every stream and making millions/month, why would I find a top CS pro making $200k/year to train me? Who cares at that point?

Lol what? He clearly wants to win bracelets and tournaments, why would he not want to play well? He is not streaming some pointless online MTTs. If he wants to do well in tournaments his best chance of winning them would be to learn modern theory and meta, and he could afford top level coaching to get better. Instead he is just trying to figure the game in his own head like hes stuck in 2005. At least he is smart enough to not play the Triton Series, but with little bit of reinventing his game and getting coached he could play them as a small loser with sponsorship money and achieve the top spots in live cashes.
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07-10-2024 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
Definitely the same thing. You make very good points, keep up the valuable contributions.
I mean you're quoting Hendon mob and his gross cashes which is pretty hilarious.
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07-10-2024 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by iwasbanned
Negreanu doing his best to min cash the Main Event.
Yeah. He seems to really be nursing the short stack for hours. Why? Obviously the money doesn't mean much. Is he really that desperate to be able to say he cashed the main?
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07-10-2024 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LimpDitka
Yeah. He seems to really be nursing the short stack for hours. Why? Obviously the money doesn't mean much. Is he really that desperate to be able to say he cashed the main?


Attempt at POY. Min cash would mean 88 points which would increase his score by 37. I know it's not much but I would bet my house he is interested in being in the top 10.
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07-10-2024 , 09:42 AM
Every day is starting really great for Daniel and he ends up significantly below average. I wonder if it'll continue like that.
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07-10-2024 , 05:13 PM
He just busted with a min-cash. I have to imagine he’s pin his POY hopes on the $10K 8-Game starting today.
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07-11-2024 , 05:26 PM
Funny how worried he was that someone would think he was making an ICM fold. Dude itís ok, 15k is still money even if youíre rich.
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