Open mucking pre would have been better

Think Daniel said something like "I love the way I played it" afterwards

He has to be one of the most results oriented player. Plays like this patting himself on the back, always rabbit hunting online, etc.

It isn't quite as bad as it looks. Obviously, playing for a 3-bet preflop. Thinks it is unlikely his opponent has a J, because there are only 2 Js left, and opponent might raise preflop with a J.

sure, turn call is a better play but if the opponent bet draws more often than baseline it might be ok. it is not atrocious or the worst way to play the hand

Seems like people here are being results oriented. Maybe not good play, but DN figured his opponent didn't have a J and was trying to bluff him. It is easier to see how bad it is when you know his opponent's hole cards. Obviously, DN should have folded to the raise because his opponent had trips.

"massive winner on party 2003-2008. the cfo of party, vikrant bhargava, even flew to america to meet some of us to see how we were playing so many hands, make it easier to multi table without opening multiple accounts and to give us bank cards to withdraw. i also played on a 100% rake back "prop" account at absolute and killed it for a while. by 2009 i was nearly 100% live poker. "

"I have a deal with a casino to run a game. i play about 15 hours a week. 10-20-straddle PLO and $30 ante double board bomb pots. When a big casino has a grand opening soon I will be steering their new dealers in the pits and counting cards on opening week!!!at you needed to online to win wasn't fun or interesting to me."

From your thread. "100% live" the last 14 years....? Heavy volume..?

heavy volume over my lifetime. since covid low volume, no online poker since 2009. the losing/breakeven years were medium volume in 2002-3ish and super high volume in 2008-9ish. Both times it was because i ran bad in the biggest games i played that year (low volume spots that just popped up) and couldn't make it up in the smaller ones.

What were the stack depths in the last hand? That plays a huge part in how he played it.

they were 30bb effective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUSg_X43_sU

I watched the video. DN started HU down 4.5-1. He acted first preflop, so I like the check with AK. The flop was JJT, so he flopped the gutshot and overcards. The turn was a 4. He had a pretty strong hand on the flop, only in trouble versus a J. Opponent is very unlikely to have TT-AA checking 2nd to act preflop. Preflop and flop seem OK. Turn semibluff may be questionable. Don't see how it is played that terribly. If opponent didn't have J and folded turn, it would look really good.

I'm seeing a pattern here, when he wins it's because of his awesome skills and knowledge, when he loses it because he is running bad.

Putting yourself into that spot with AK by playing it as he did is bad however you put it. When you are in a spot where you are jamming to fold out hands you already beat and get snap called by everything else which has you drawing dead ish it cant be a good play. V is on so much Jx in that node after limp/x back pre and x/r flop.

Yeah, I agree I don't like the push, but preflop and flop were reasonable.

It makes a difference that the flop was JJT rather than JJ4x, as initially reported ITT. AK is pretty strong on JJT.

It was a terrible play no need to explain this any further to a guy who cant even get the action right (noone checked ak preflop).

Reminds me of some players i sometimes play private micro tournaments with, trying to trap with AK by limping and when the trap does not work they still cant find a fold or start to bluff on boards that perfectly hit the checking range of BB/limping range of other players at the table. Just lol.

I actually think preflop is pretty bad too since players tend to defend pretty wide HU and Ak is definitely a hand u want to build a pot at this moment and not let ur opponent see a free flop. Yes u can maybe make an argument that the other guy was short and probably DN thought he will shove on his limp but still...

I got the action right. The other guy got the flop wrong. It went JJT4Q, not JJ4TQ. DN limped preflop, obviously looking to shove.

With the turn shove, I guess DN didn't want to get pushed off nut no pair on the river, figuring that might be good. He could fold the turn or call and call or fold the river unimproved. He may have thought he had 10 outs. It was a difficult spot OTT.

DN could have checked back the flop and probably would have done that if the board was JJ4 instead of JJT.

Has Negreanu issued a statement about his employers scandal or is he too busy counting his paycheque from them?

I like Daniel and have defended him in this thread numerous times but his silence on this is a really bad look. After all the talking he has done about other scandals and how he projects himself as someone who never holds back and always tell it as it is and yet, crickets on this topic.

He is a complete ****ing hypocrite who stays quiet when he needs his pockets to stay lined just like every other scumbag in poker.

But like you didn't realize this when he said increasing the rake was good for the game.
I will never understand how any serious poker player can accept that statement, because its false.

At the same time Daniel is Mr Morality, calling out Howard, Ferguson, Duke. Mr police man
with high level of integrity. Until like you said when its his money effected, then he's
Mr Politician as Phil Hellmuth calls him. Which basically means he's trash.

I mean do you guys play poker. Is increasing the rake good for the game wtf

That's partly why GG hired him, because he said more rake is good when working for Stars. He will back their line no matter how ridiculous. That is part of what he, Koons, etc. are paid for.

Yeah I'm pretty much in agreement that Daniel is a fraud. I used to be a big fan but his silence on this is embarrassing considering he chimes in on every other controversy in poker. He truly only does care about one thing, himself and his pockets being lined with money.

Not that I agree with Daniel but his logic was not terrible. He may have legitimately believed what he said at the time.

The rake topic has been hashed as much as what to tip a Dealer.

As with anything you need to know 'why' and what the results of said why are going to have in the long run.

Most assume that it just means more profit for the site and those that rep it.

If that rake was going to actually grow the game then we can speculate on the impact on the game/site in whole.

If you go status quo .. losing players will lose, then run out of money and disappear. Then winning players are left to battle it out in zero sum worlds .. or they just don't play. No more rake .. no more site.

If the rake was used on freerolls or rakeback, sign-up bonuses or other promotional events then we can hope it keeps the losing players active longer and brings in new players.

All this can very easily be crap with no follow through and I'm in no position to judge if that's what did, or would, happen.

What I do know is dragging up these skeletons at these opportune times kind of dilutes the current topic. Can they show a pattern? Sure .. but the context of those comments is well covered ..

Did it happen and what did the site follow through with?


With GG .. I'd like to see both DN and Koon make comments on the issue. But I also think the site jumped right in and took action. If they previously knew and didn't do anything then we have a scandal. If they were dragging feet then we definitely should be looking to Pros to step up with statements.

I'd hate to see either of them up and go the 'ongoing investigation' route with comments that make them look like company puppets. GL

What scandal? There was a glitch and they fixed it.

My point as well .. 'scandal' can only come into play if they knew and did nothing 'right away' and/or the User was internal. It's very possible that they are still tracking down the User. To label this a scandal is a pretty good watering down of the term.

I'd love to see 'the committee' (Koon is on, correct?) be the ones to come out with GG when they can offer a somewhat comprehensive report. Not looking for tech stuff so someone else can try to do it .. just some general stuff with the User's Identity (pending investigation/legal action). GL


PS .. What is in the fine print when you sign up for an online account? Is there anything related to moral/ethical/fraud/software manipulation or anything else that might lead to the criminal side rather than the civil side of the courts?