True.

Dog you just gotta do some push/fold work in the lab...

Am I wrong when I say that at certain parts of a tournament this happens anyways?

Also sure, maybe this happens. Players buying short. Maybe ALOT of player buy in short. But does this actually turn the tournament into a shove fest? No... A turbo is a shove fest.

Lets be real here. Think about the distribution of late reg'd players among the open seats at tables. It's not like someone busted out 5 players at a table all of a sudden and now 5 short stacked players show up and drastically changed the dynamic of the table or the tournament. Usually a few players will bust and be replaced by some shortys. Just pretend they were there the whole tournament and only have 15 bb... Does that help?

It is really hard to fold KK with 17xBB having already put 2.5xBB into the pot. He is 20% against AA and it would be really hard to put them both on AA. If Hellmuth has AA, it seems look KK should be good for the side pot. You can say what you want about tells, but you would probably have a hard time folding KK there.

It is technically against the rules for Hellmuth to discuss the hand. Beth Shak was worse than a wealthy amateur, a wife of a wealthy amateur. Hellmuth is unusual. Most old old school live regs would never show any reaction until everyone was allin or folded.


The AA/AA/KK hand is from 2007.

Your advice to casual players who go on vacation to Vegas for a week every year to play in a couple tournaments is "do some push/fold work in the lab"???

I'm not talking about the EV of the tournament (though I did read that Kenny Halleart did some simulations showing that max late regging WSOP events gives players a large ICM advantage). I'm talking about the -experience- of the tournament for casual players.

It is certainly true that tables always have a mix of big, medium, and short stacks in the mid-stages of tournaments. But when a table that would normally have two short stacks suddenly has five short stacks, it is a much different experience, and not the sort of experience that most recreational players expected.

She was also dancing and yelling to her husband on the rail that she had it and nodding as he flashed "AA" hand sign to her and then loudly yelled "I think she has aces"

Richey is getting 6/1 to call on the main pot so Hellmuth is actually a genius for trying to get him to fold kings.

Shouldn't DN get some credit for taking on the computer trained GTO experts in the high rollers? Even though he only appeared to be crushing them due to variance, it is an impressive last attempt by old school players.

The TV edit makes that way more obvious than it would be if you were at the table in person. I really doubt "I think she has aces" was actually audible to Richey, key members in the crowd like Dan Shak would likely be mic'd up or have a mic placed nearby, and crowd noise is filtered out. Then there's editing down the length of time the hand took.

If it was the other way around, would DN losing be blamed on variance? I just find it funny how often that magic word gets thrown around as an excuse.

Wasn't that from the live (30 minute delayed) feed?

Daniel thinks cheating isn’t cheating. Or at least when he doesn’t want to abide by rules so he can play Pokerstars from the US. defends it by saying “why do we have imaginary lines that we have to cross to play”.

https://twitter.com/RealKidPoker/sta...813276672?s=20

His tweet Belongs on iam14andthisisdeep.

There's obviously a bit of a difference here though, which is why he's posed the question. Some breaks of the TOS will always be breaks of the TOS (multi accounting etc). Where someone is located is about the laws of lands not undermining players and the game.

When there are rules that two people could be at opposite ends of a road and one be able to play and another not, there's more 'grey area' than other rules.

I’m usually a Negreanu fan, but I can’t defend this. Using a VPN in violation of the TOS is cheating. It -does- impact the game, as it allows someone who is otherwise ineligible to play, which impacts everyone’s EV.

GTO is by definition unexploitable. Please elaborate as to how you would "relatively easily" exploit someone who is playing GTO.

It also is a massive disadvantage/**** you to people who play by the rules and moved to another country.

See, this is the problem with attempting discourse of any kind today. In order to start a discussion, the guy asks whether a very narrowly defined action constitutes cheating, and then takes the contrary position in order to foster debate. Your response: "Oh, Daniel thinks cheating isn't cheating!" This is why nobody talks to each other anymore: people just yell at each other because nobody listens and most people cherry pick what is said to them and only acknowledge what supports the things they already believe. Sad!

BTW IMO using a VPN is cheating. But I don't think fostering a discussion about the morality of using one means a guy is automatically a cheater.

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Did you want me to define cheating first? It’s cut and dry.

I didn’t call Daniel a cheater. I think his opinion is stupid, and he’s making childish arguments because he feels entitled to play from his home in Vegas instead of traveling to Canada. Not that he would, or that he has.

Playing a GTO betting strategy is exploitable through live tells. Even if you are bluffing at an "optimal" frequency, it will be easy to beat you if your opponent can discern which of your bets are bluffs.

lol, so now that he isn't paid by Pokerstars he is saying using a VPN is ok?

maybe he'll start saying more rake is bad but I'm not holding out too much hope

The difference is that the players in an underground cardroom, while they are breaking the law, they are not breaking the rules of the game that they are playing. Everyone in the game accepts this, and no one is trying to deceive other players as to their status.

Using a VPN is violating the rules of Pokerstars. Players on the site have a right to expect they are playing a fair game in which everyone is playing by the same rules. And this means not using a VPN to hide your status for whatever purpose you might have.

If someone in a private game had previously been banned from the game, and they show up in a disguise in an attempt to play anyway, that would be a much more analogous situation.

I would consider playing in an illegal underground game unethical. That doesn't mean anyone is cheating in the game.

Playing in an underground game isn't unethical at all--running one may be depending on your rake