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06-08-2019 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
I dunno. I think it’s more of a punctuation issue. I took it to mean that even with all his cashes and bracelets he’s still playing without confidence. I have no idea if that’s the case, but I understood the intent.
That's what i meant, how else could you understand it i am not sure, that's why i was surprised by the reaction but w/e.
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06-08-2019 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by smoothcriminal99
His results this year aren’t bad so far. He’s up in buyins I think just bricked two bullets of 50k so down like 100k... there’s a lot I don’t like about daniel but putting yourself out there like this is really gutsy and he’s destined to get negatively criticized about everything... I don’t think people realize how tournament poker is structured either... in 5k+ Field events even if you play 100 your returns are going to be centered negatively and just further tailed to positive returns because of how top heavy they become.
Nearly everything you say here is wrong, being an egotistical narcissist is not really gutsy, and if he was worried about anyone else than himself then he wouldn't be so criticised.

16 events, $160,500 buy ins, $59,136 returns, $101,364 loss.

I remember last year was really bad series, the game seems to have overtaken him, and this year once again he is looking like a degenerate, desperately buying into tourney after tourney, on other peoples' money, without taking a step back to reconsider his flawed play.

Last years series 32 events, $1,505,000 buy ins, $111,103 returns, $1,393,897 loss. No wonder he is having to get staked this year, though good luck to those backing him, they will need it!

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06-08-2019 , 02:23 PM
I wonder where exactly he is making most mistakes. From his vlogs you can hear he is having some bad beats, some good and some bad plays, but i am sure there is more to it. It is hard to believe that a MTT veteran of his calibre is making fundamental mistakes that lead him to bust too soon, it's like he is all over the place jumping from one to the next one, while maybe he should be focusing more on a tourney he is playing and try to stay in it as long as possible.
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06-08-2019 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonca
I wonder where exactly he is making most mistakes. From his vlogs you can hear he is having some bad beats, some good and some bad plays, but i am sure there is more to it. It is hard to believe that a MTT veteran of his calibre is making fundamental mistakes that lead him to bust too soon, it's like he just all over the place just jumping from one to the next one, while maybe he should be focusing more on a tourney he is playing and try to stay in it as long as possible.
It is funny, Annette Obrestad was on here, and Daniel's situation reminds me of her play. She had a reputation of being wildly aggressive, but after a while people realised she went all in quite light, so she got called down and her medium hands lost. Exactly the same is happening with Negreanu, he keeps going all in with mediocre high hands, JK, KQ, that sort of crap, and gets called by dominating hands. Then he complains he got a bad beat. And then repeats this over and over and over...

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06-08-2019 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
It is funny, Annette Obrestad was on here, and Daniel's situation reminds me of her play. She had a reputation of being wildly aggressive, but after a while people realised she went all in quite light, so she got called down and her medium hands lost. Exactly the same is happening with Negreanu, he keeps going all in with mediocre high hands, JK, KQ, that sort of crap, and gets called by dominating hands. Then he complains he got a bad beat. And then repeats this over and over and over...
In that case, you'll be able to get makeup tips from him in next year's YouTube offerings.
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06-08-2019 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
It is funny, Annette Obrestad was on here, and Daniel's situation reminds me of her play. She had a reputation of being wildly aggressive, but after a while people realised she went all in quite light, so she got called down and her medium hands lost. Exactly the same is happening with Negreanu, he keeps going all in with mediocre high hands, JK, KQ, that sort of crap, and gets called by dominating hands. Then he complains he got a bad beat. And then repeats this over and over and over...
I mean he was by far the worst player ever on all televised cash games, the amount of crappy hands he played it seemed like he really hates money, it is simply impossible that he was ever making money playing cash games, i am 100% sure that he would not be able to beat 100nl live or online, even in the old days, especially in the old days, where people were much tighter.

And now tht he is obsessed with playing gto unexploitable style , he seems to be overdoing it. He is so proud of winning small pots playing gto style by calling two barrels with 2nd pair and blockers that he ends up leveling himself too often in bigger pots where other people ranges are crushing him. He is playing ego poker all day long, he wants it so badly to prove that he is a good player, while in fact he was very luvky to be at the right place at the right time and to have made all this money from Pokerstars. haha amirite or what?
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06-08-2019 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonca
I mean he was by far the worst player ever on all televised cash games, the amount of crappy hands he played it seemed like he really hates money, it is simply impossible that he was ever making money playing cash games, i am 100% sure that he would not be able to beat 100nl live or online, even in the old days, especially in the old days, where people were much tighter.

And now tht he is obsessed with playing gto unexploitable style , he seems to be overdoing it. He is so proud of winning small pots playing gto style by calling two barrels with 2nd pair and blockers that he ends up leveling himself too often in bigger pots where other people ranges are crushing him. He is playing ego poker all day long, he wants it so badly to prove that he is a good player, while in fact he was very luvky to be at the right place at the right time and to have made all this money from Pokerstars. haha amirite or what?
what
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06-08-2019 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Trooper
I wonder what my cashes would be if I was put into any tournament I wanted and I had zero worry about the $ since it wasn’t mine?
Probably $39 million. You'd be second to Bonomo on the all-time live tournament cashes list. Amirite?

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06-08-2019 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonca
I mean he was by far the worst player ever on all televised cash games, the amount of crappy hands he played it seemed like he really hates money, it is simply impossible that he was ever making money playing cash games, i am 100% sure that he would not be able to beat 100nl live or online, even in the old days, especially in the old days, where people were much tighter.

And now tht he is obsessed with playing gto unexploitable style , he seems to be overdoing it. He is so proud of winning small pots playing gto style by calling two barrels with 2nd pair and blockers that he ends up leveling himself too often in bigger pots where other people ranges are crushing him. He is playing ego poker all day long, he wants it so badly to prove that he is a good player, while in fact he was very luvky to be at the right place at the right time and to have made all this money from Pokerstars. haha amirite or what?
Somehow you've come across even more delusional then dnegs which is impressive.
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06-08-2019 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PardoG
He’s no doubt a great player but this whole approach to late regging everything and trying to “spin it up” seems kind of ridiculous. It’s like he has so much ADD he’s never fully focused on any particular tournament or hand unless he has gambled up a stack and now has a chance to do something with it. To me this shows burnout, lack of patience and that he just doesn’t have the grind and discipline in him to be playing this kind of full schedule. If anything, she should stick to medium: high buy in events where the money matters and he can truly focus and challenging himself to play his best- way too much “ahh shucks nothing you can do in this spot with 15 bigs and A10 suited” going on - he’s just lighting buy ins on fire when he could be building from earlier on and exploiting the weaker players in the earlier levels.
You probably dont play much online but its far from unusual to reg really late in a toruney - when he late regged the 50k he can likely cash at that point if he just doubles his A10s hand. Its nowhere near as bad as you seem to think.
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06-08-2019 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by arcdog
You probably dont play much online but its far from unusual to reg really late in a toruney - when he late regged the 50k he can likely cash at that point if he just doubles his A10s hand. Its nowhere near as bad as you seem to think.
Not to mention the structures for the 1500s are so deep that mega late regging is even more of an acceptable strategy, but hey, it’s a waste of time pointing that out to people who would hate on him whatever he does.

Registering in level 7 of the 1500 stud worked out well...
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06-08-2019 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
Nearly everything you say here is wrong, being an egotistical narcissist is not really gutsy, and if he was worried about anyone else than himself then he wouldn't be so criticised.

16 events, $160,500 buy ins, $59,136 returns, $101,364 loss.

I remember last year was really bad series, the game seems to have overtaken him, and this year once again he is looking like a degenerate, desperately buying into tourney after tourney, on other peoples' money, without taking a step back to reconsider his flawed play.

Last years series 32 events, $1,505,000 buy ins, $111,103 returns, $1,393,897 loss. No wonder he is having to get staked this year, though good luck to those backing him, they will need it!
You totally missed my point... if you think 32 and 16 tournaments is a meaningful sample size to make the assumptions that you’re making about his edge versus the field you haven’t experienced enough tournament variance or done simulations on it with different win rates. Basically his winrate could be anything over such a small sample and produce those results. But you’re right your probably a better investment.... where can I buy a piece of your one drop action??? I don’t like the guy but I’d still buy a piece of dneg in 1ks-10ks especially the mixed events where he has a lot more experience then a lot of the field.
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06-08-2019 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
Not to mention the structures for the 1500s are so deep that mega late regging is even more of an acceptable strategy, but hey, it’s a waste of time pointing that out to people who would hate on him whatever he does.

Registering in level 7 of the 1500 stud worked out well...
It is an acceptable strategy if one's strategy is to enter tournaments with a very small stack compared to most other players still in, and all the bad players knocked out so just a tough field left, and so if one cashes at all, likely to only min-cash.

As shown by results so far using this strategy, he has had one final table and a couple of min cashes and is down overall, and looks on schedule for another min-cash in stud.
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06-09-2019 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
It is an acceptable strategy if one's strategy is to enter tournaments with a very small stack compared to most other players still in, and all the bad players knocked out so just a tough field left, and so if one cashes at all, likely to only min-cash.

As shown by results so far using this strategy, he has had one final table and a couple of min cashes and is down overall, and looks on schedule for another min-cash in stud.
yeah you are just wrong... dnegs is a total douche but nothing wrong with late regging...
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06-09-2019 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by KennyJPowers
"Teach us not to see the speck in our friends eye when we have a log in our own"
agreed but its advisable not to throw your pearls before swine
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06-09-2019 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
Nearly everything you say here is wrong, being an egotistical narcissist is not really gutsy, and if he was worried about anyone else than himself then he wouldn't be so criticised.

16 events, $160,500 buy ins, $59,136 returns, $101,364 loss.

I remember last year was really bad series, the game seems to have overtaken him, and this year once again he is looking like a degenerate, desperately buying into tourney after tourney, on other peoples' money, without taking a step back to reconsider his flawed play.

Last years series 32 events, $1,505,000 buy ins, $111,103 returns, $1,393,897 loss. No wonder he is having to get staked this year, though good luck to those backing him, they will need it!
The greats like Negreanu, Ivey, and Dwan have no fear about losing and that mindset is part of the reason they are so successful. Listen to what he says at minute 16:

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06-09-2019 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BeHumble!
yeah you are just wrong... dnegs is a total douche but nothing wrong with late regging...
OK, just saying, "you are wrong" is not exactly the most persuasive response.

Like, have you any views on why having the handicap of starting off short stacked against a totally tough field is better than starting at the beginning and building a stack by exploiting the poor players early on in a tournament?

Yes, you save time by late regging, but the chip disadvantage on entry means you quickly have to make moves with sub standard hands to avoid getting blinded out.

Negreanu's results at the highest stakes - where he plays from the start of the tournament - are outstanding, so it is interesting how he is repeatedly wasting his time unsuccessfully late regging lower entry tournaments.
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06-09-2019 , 08:12 AM
You're not very good at the game are you Jay

You don't have to make moves with substandard hands. You just play +ev hands doesn't matter if it's moving in with K6o on SB or stack off with top tripps nothing wrong with that.

AFAIK
1) late reg has higher ChipEV people say at least
2) It increased variance on a single tourney by a lot to late reg with shallow stack
3) You're right that he forgoes advantage in deep play
but
4) There's also opportunity cost of time spent on the early levels


His aim is player of the year, not maxing ev on single lowest stakes tournaments
Late regging is understandable
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06-09-2019 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
Nearly everything you say here is wrong, being an egotistical narcissist is not really gutsy, and if he was worried about anyone else than himself then he wouldn't be so criticised.

16 events, $160,500 buy ins, $59,136 returns, $101,364 loss.

I remember last year was really bad series, the game seems to have overtaken him, and this year once again he is looking like a degenerate, desperately buying into tourney after tourney, on other peoples' money, without taking a step back to reconsider his flawed play.

Last years series 32 events, $1,505,000 buy ins, $111,103 returns, $1,393,897 loss. No wonder he is having to get staked this year, though good luck to those backing him, they will need it!
Good Luck to any backer staking any player for only 32 tournaments. I believe Daniel is the the shark here and the backer is the fish unless the same backer backs him for the next 10 years and maybe comes out with a profit. meanwhile Daniel is playing all the events and eating carrots and apples at the table. Smart move by Daniel to get backed.
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06-09-2019 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by smoothcriminal99
You totally missed my point... if you think 32 and 16 tournaments is a meaningful sample size to make the assumptions that you’re making about his edge versus the field you haven’t experienced enough tournament variance or done simulations on it with different win rates. Basically his winrate could be anything over such a small sample and produce those results. But you’re right your probably a better investment.... where can I buy a piece of your one drop action??? I don’t lik
e the guy but I’d still buy a piece of dneg in 1ks-10ks especially the mixed events where he has a lot more experience then a lot of the field.
I'd rather put my money on a horse that is 20:1 that i know nothing about than buying a piece of Daniel or any other player in any wsop event.
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06-09-2019 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemon93PCTSure
You're not very good at the game are you Jay

You don't have to make moves with substandard hands. You just play +ev hands doesn't matter if it's moving in with K6o on SB or stack off with top tripps nothing wrong with that.

AFAIK
1) late reg has higher ChipEV people say at least
2) It increased variance on a single tourney by a lot to late reg with shallow stack
3) You're right that he forgoes advantage in deep play
but
4) There's also opportunity cost of time spent on the early levels


His aim is player of the year, not maxing ev on single lowest stakes tournaments
Late regging is understandable
t really looks like the emperor's new clothes, people just refuse to see what is obvious now, because of what they think about the past success of Negreanu, that may even not be success as the past was a non stop freeroll, so $39m tournament "earnings" cost how much in buy ins?

I get the points about the benefits of late entry, and have entered late and cashed myself in rebuy tournaments when I have rebought after a bad beat, but it is such an obstacle starting off short stacked, so yes, the chances of a small cash may seem attractive, but balance that against the chance of a big cash, and the lack of scope to do much more than push or fold, and it isn't a good spot to be in.

Min cashes contribute minimal player of the year points, playing fewer events, but playing them from the start where he will have lots of weaker players to exploit, a big chip stack to use effectively from the start, is a much better strategy.

Being an older player is more tiring, his need for stimulants like coffee and him looking so drained after just 10 days of the series, shows a need to pick games more carefully, instead of nonsense like decisions to play short deck when by his own admission he doesn't play that.

I looked at his Hendon mob wsop results, he does best in high roller small fields, someone like Hellmuth does best in massive fields. So Negreanu's three or fivr tournaments a day approach is flawed. He was around 60th in poy points last time I checked, so so far it has not been a success however one looks at it.
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06-09-2019 , 05:31 PM
I'm a bit confused ? Why is it in almost all of dnegs wsop videos his ladies are always on the couch under blankets ? He also in the first ten videos of this year focused on or made reference to Amanda's fake cans .
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06-09-2019 , 05:54 PM
Jay, when everyone is disagreeing with you I suggest you reevaluate your position.

Also, why are you assuming that by late regging a player is doomed to mincash as the best result? Sure, he'll be relatively short when he enters, but if he knows how to play a short stack (let's assume Danny does) then all it takes is one double up and he'll have plenty of chips to work with. There is still so much of a tournament left to be played once the money is reached.

I played an Ignition tourney a few weeks ago and I was the 5th last to enter a field of 800 or so and I finished 2nd.

You're wrong dude, let it go.
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06-09-2019 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by NorsteinBeckler
Last year DNegs also did a "get sexy" series of videos about him going to the gym. Guess what? I didn't watch those.
I'll come to your defense a bit and agree with this post and other similar ones: I enjoy the poker part of the vlogs, but I tend to skip through the rest – going to the gym, playing with the dogs, hanging around at home. When he's in the car, I'll shuttle past it unless he's talking about poker.

This year, however, I'm more inclined to watch some of the stuff at home: Amanda and Eddy are pretty entertaining. I couldn't say the same for his GF from the 2017 vlogs.
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06-09-2019 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
I looked at his Hendon mob wsop results, he does best in high roller small fields, someone like Hellmuth does best in massive fields. So Negreanu's three or fivr tournaments a day approach is flawed. He was around 60th in poy points last time I checked, so so far it has not been a success however one looks at it.
Again it's glaringly obvious you are not near a pro
Nobody judges after such a small sample it's just variance

And pretty much everyone would tell you Dnegs is close to 0 in edge in NLHE highrollers nowadays just looking at his game in tougher fields.

And he doesn't miss any Mixed Games larger events afaik
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