thayer had it right. there's no way dnegs nash shoves his value range. his play with T7s was an awful punt.

ICM doesn't mean laddering; laddering just happens to be the only area of the game that most players are applying it to, but there are other valid applications of ICM thinking at other stages of the comp.

One player who does consider it at all stages of the comp is Barny Boatman. I know from Tweets he's made that his strategy is to avoid high variance flips or high variance tiny edges early or mid comp, and I'd imagine many other players are too, but not publicising it.

Have you read the discussion of "bubble factor" in "Kill Everyone", and the graph they include? It is pretty much exactly this.

It depends on what you mean by "very close to the money". Maybe some players should start thinking about ICM earlier than they do. But I think a lot players who are concious of ICM exaggerate its importance in many spots, or just use it as an excuse for overly cautious play. This hand was still very much in the early stages of the tournament, before half the field had busted, and Daniel had below the starting chip stack. In situations like this, ICM makes almost no difference. There may be other reasons why a player should decline to take narrowly +EV spots early in a tournament, but ICM is not among them.

I haven't. I've never read a poker book apart from one by Jeff Hwang on PLO in which he is obsessed by floating and which threw me off my winning game for 3 weeks until I could realign my brain. Not sure if the book is garbage or if it was me not being able to understand what the hell the author was on about.

The graph we are talking about, is the journey of a short/shortish stack through the various stages of the tournament and how its ICM changes. It would be cool if the graph shows this. Anyone have an image or a link to it please?

I did a quick Google of ICM values and tables but none of the tools I found appeared to have the facility to check ICM values when well out of the money.

I agree it makes less difference the further away we are from the money but it could be a small factor that sways a tight decision one way or the other.

As cringey as it was to watch, I guarantee even the saltiest of people ITT are just a tiny bit lost now his WSOP VLOG's are over!

That isn't an ICM application though. That is just someone deciding not to play a high variance style of poker well outside of the money. When you're that far out of the money, your stated chip values aren't materially different from ICM values, if at all.

This reminds of several years back when ICM was the buzzword of the day, much like "GTO" is today. PokerNews was interviewing someone after Day 1 of the WSOP Main Event, and the player said something like: "I actually folded QQ to a 3bet on Day 1 today, because, well, you know, "ICM".

I still LOL everytime I remember that one!

I might be stupid but I am not that stupid!

Keep engaging sage. You guys are totally starting to convince him.

Are we at 10,000 words about the raise yet? I want to know if I win my prop bet.

time for my yearly offer to help ppl with using ignore lists on 2p2, my god

AllJackedUp, what a casual post, now everything makes sense

Maybe Sage can explain it.

Almost running out of pop-corn (sadface)

That 1st season of the "Dnges and the 107 GTO life" show was pretty entertaining though.

Cheers to everyone posting

PS: Can't wait for season 2

Oh, I see what you did there.

I'm feening for something to complain about so badly I might actually watch DNegs's upcoming "effete narcissist vegan man goes to the gym, PLUS TWO PURSE DOGS" series.

Does anybody think that Daniel looks like Russ Hanneman from the show Silicon Valley? Same kind of personality too, but one has 3 commas to his net worth.

Daniel does have two commas, with two figures in front of them, which isn't too bad. But he lost one chance to cash in the real big money, and blew another one.

He is actually one of the biggest victims of Black Friday. Not because he lost money at a poker site; Black Friday scuttled a deal that he had set up for his domain name "Full Contact Poker." The number was probably nothing like the $100 million that has been rumored, but there is little doubt that the price would have been somewhere into eight figures before the decimal.

The deal he blew was the big one. He is rumored to have turned down a 4% stake in Poker Stars, taking a salary instead and passing on the equity. That stake would have been worth well over $150 million when the Scheinbergs sold out to Amaya.

What is this even supposed to mean? Lost now that his vlogs are over? Wat?

A little bit, but not as much as Gavin Belson looks like Sam Trickett.

Good one.

To think about it...Gillfoyle looks like Oliver Bisquet.

Only salty people can understand, clearly you are not salty enough, sir.

You know you loved them

According to Doug Polk danny boy got all up in his face during a high roller calling him a ***** and trying to goad him into throwing a punch. Thin skinned DN really cares about his reputation.

LOL at DNegs fighting anyone, that purse-dog carrying metrosexual would drop like a stone!

As far as I am aware Doug still hasn't accepted the 50k boxing challenge against Nandez, so...

Here is the clip where Polk says DNegs tried to goad him into punching him. Around ~1:06.36 if it doesn't load at that spot.