bartscottcantwait.jpg for tomorrow's vlog!

Someone call a Waaaaaaaambulance for Danny. He missed 1 hand after the break so he rage-tilt-shoves T7 and busts. LOL.


C'mon Danny, MORE BREAK IS BETTER!

Hi Everyone:

First, this was the headline on wsop.com for the update relative to Negreanu getting knocked out of the One Drop this afternoon:

Sontheimer Sends a Tilted Negreanu to the Rail

Which makes it seem appropriate to post part of an email I received from Negreanu a few years back. So here it is:

Best wishes,
Mason

From: Daniel Negreanu [mailto:dnegspoker@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:54 AM
To: MasonMalmuth
Subject: Re: Banners to promote the Awards

I have no interest in the details of all you mentioned below. It's wasted chatter to me. My issue is with who you show up as and the how, not in the what.

What you don't get is that whether you are right or wrong is completely irrelevant. It's not at all what I have issues with. It's how you are BEING about it. And you come off as mentally unstable and in need of medication and/or therapy.

I understand that you have issues when it comes to social skills and that's what shines through in the way that you deal with conflict.

and here's one I received two days later:

I truly believe you would benefit from either meds or therapy sessions. I know In the past you have suffered from delusion and paranoia that caused you to believe people were trying to put a bomb under your car, etc.

When I played with you at the Mirage many years ago I saw repressed anger issues that haven't been dealt with. How would it hurt to see a therapist? It doesn't make you a bad or weak person. Quite the contrary.

that's actually not appropriate at all imo. even though I can't stand daniel you just proved his point that you indeed have repressed anger issues to be posting this years after it happened, specially in this situation that has nothing to do with the subject lol

Yeah who the hell cares about some email he sent you years ago? Truly some strange characters in here

Imo, it is appropriate. It correctly highlights the vindictive, manipulative nature Dnegs employs on a regular basis when he faces conflict. Anyone catch today when Kempe busted he needles him and says, "ooh that was a quick one." That's the kind of behavior the guy posting the letter is talking about.

^^^^^^

Posting private e-mails and pm's is extremely inappropriate from you of all people, Mason. Shame on you.

Why is that so sacred? Do you have the same rules for face-to-face conversations? Maybe if there was some promise to keep it discreet. Otherwise if you send me hostile berating messages, I'll feel zero obligation to keep it secret for your sake.

I mean yeah if you send someone emails like that you have to expect they're going to be seen by others.

I wouldn't go and make a big to do about something online or to strangers about a face-to-face conversation that means nothing to others, no. Would you? Seems extremely immature.

What's so immature about that? I share my personal experiences all the time. If someone like Negreanu flew off the handle at me at the Rio, of course I'd tell people about it. Even if it was just someone in my social circle, I'd probably tell my friends about it. That's pretty normal imo.

Conversely, I once received a polite PM from Negreanu about something that he wouldn't want publicized. Because this was sent in confidence, I'm not going to tell anybody what it was, even though he hates my guts now. Does that make sense?

Nothing to others is a weird way to categorize it in a thread entirely about this person.

DNegs is saying on Twitter that the blind on blind 21BBs open shove with T7 suited "is beyond standard".... "Just Google it (and you'll see)"

I disagree with this because he was shoving into an opponent who is more aware than most of how wide a range push/fold charts (which he knows DNegs is now a disciple of) suggest an open shove can be made with.

The opponent is not playing with scared money and is a thinking player.

And it is a slow structured comp so it's not like in 10 minutes the blinds and antes go up and then 30 minutes later they go up again. There is time to nurse and manoeuvre a 21BB stack and find better spots such as 3 bet shoving a stronger hand against a weaker range and with dead money and equities etc more in your favour.

Also these push/fold charts do not take proper or complex enough account of ICM considerations. There is always ICM, even mid comp and well off of the money.

So these charts and ranges IMO should only be used as a traffic light system. When you cross the road you don't just look at and have total faith in the lights, you also look left and right, in other words you use your own brain as well.

Players are getting too carried away and too sheep like in their use of push fold charts for live comps.

Push fold charts are much more effective in a positive way on line when someone is 8 tabling $25 comps because they can push these small +chip EV edges early and mid comp with complete freedom and impunity because playing a number of comps simultaneously with the option to further load more is giving you natural ICM protection because your ICM at any given moment is spread across a number of buy ins.

Even given the above paragraph, you should still weigh up your opponent in the BB in on line comps in all specific spots to work out from their stats and their recent play observed what their likely calling range is.

I don't think DNegs did this or did it accurately enough in that spot.

You can also sometimes gain quasi-card removal information in a live comp by closely observing the way in which opponents in front of you have passed their hands. Some players will give off a tell of passing total junk and others will give off that they may have had an Ace or a picture card in their hand. A push fold chart isn't going to do any of this for you.

Mason and Renegs are just polar opposites hate each other. It's people who write (and then edit) 11 paragraphs on bvb push/fold spot who are mentally ill.

If it makes you feel better, here's something Negreanu said about me publicly:

What an absolute dick! Mason you are a piece of ****. A serious piece of garbage. I mean seriously!!! This guy comes to you FIRST with all the details, making sure he doesn't break any of your Nazi rules and you come at him with that ****ing response? You are such a scumbag. You make it seem like the guy was begging you for money or asking if it's ok to post tranny porn in NVG. You really think your response was appropriate?

Even if you want to stick to your guns and not let him post it, could you not have come up with something a little more kind? Maybe like, "Sorry, it's against our policy to allow that, but I wish you the best with your podcast."

You are so insanely rude Mason. Have you no heart whatsoever? Guy here is trying to do a GOOD thing and you treat him like he's being a nuisance. You just suck Mason.

You can find this here:

https://fullcontactpoker.com/poker-f...0#entry3563992

Mason

Pretty sure he doesn’t NEED pokerstars.. you don’t think he could make a good enough living to survive playing tournaments? Even though he is number 1 on the all time money list.. lol..

Hi vinivici9586:

I think this is absolutely correct. Even though I enjoy writing about many different topics, I try to be quiet and low key.

Best wishes,
Mason

Just holding him accountable for a play that was careless at best and full blown tilt at worst.

Next time just for you I'll crunch it all into one paragraph, won't qualify my points, and I'll leave any typos in, if that is going to cure my mental illness, doctor.

The shove is correct from a Nash prospective.

The issue I have wish it its a marginal shove so what it’s saying is Daniel thinks he can’t find a better spot (He hasn’t got an edge)

Hi HotChips:

Let me try to give a partial answer to this question.

I think Negreanu is excellent at poker tournaments, probably one of the best. I also think that if he needed to become top notch at a form of cash poker that he's currently not top notch in, he could do it in a reasonable amount of time.

However, I've been around poker/gambling for a long time and have seen a number of excellent players (and some not so good) find other ways to blow a lot of money, and this often means poorly thought out business ventures. And as for Negreanu, since I hardly know him, it would be pure speculation with no basis in fact on my part if he falls in this category. So you be the judge.

Best wishes,
Mason

+EV is +EV, this is a very top heavy sit and go I'm sure with the big bb ante any Sng player will confirm the shove is just correct
Not sure what you want to wait for in that field

Daniel played meh, the punt early on with pair of 8s he didn't show but talked about, weird ass line where he donked 3way
And the A7 punt where he played by feeling and picked a not so great combo (doesn't block spades, has too many 7x and weaker hands to bluff that size and A is not really relevant besides actually having more showdown value in the checking part of range)

I'd be very surprised even If you do play with limp raise strategy that a t7s wouldn't be mixed in the jam range? Don't play Sng though

I think there is more to it than plain +EV is +EV.

There is 8% juice to overcome so one should be striving for better edge plays than this otherwise you shouldn't really be in the comp other than as a deliberate punt.

Also where do DNegs edges against this type of field and many of the players in it really lie?

I would say that some of his edge is in his experience, stamina, good rest and sensible sleep schedules, home field advantage, live tells, and general will power and determination to win and to get the maximum out of himself. Sure, many of the rest of the field have many of these qualities too, but IMO he scores higher than most of them in most of these categories.

So even if he was in complete and calm control of this play, it is still the wrong play as he is potentially sacrificing some of the edges above in exchange for a very small edge in that spot.

great to see the thread i started have 67 pages #legendarythread

Unless you're just getting monster hands left and right or you manage to stack up right off the bat and stay there, in a tournament you're just going to have to make moves like that once in a while. He got caught, and it sucks. But it's all in the game, and he wouldn't be as good a player as he is if he wasn't capable of making those moves.

As much as I enjoy seeing DNegs struggle, I would have liked him to at least make a deep run in this one. He opened up the door to let everyone come have a look at his WSOP run and it was not exactly his proudest series ever.

Mason,

Get over it. We know you don’t like him and you probably both said some mean things but life is to short to dwell on things. It’s best to look forward and not in the past. And of course to be the better person. You don’t need to stoop to their level to get back at them.

Best Wishes,

golfbum983