Antonius is one of the biggest winners online ever lol. (maybe the biggest?)

Seems to be your fav thing to post, guess he has the same type of account in live poker too lol

Or maybe it's just not that easy to hop into big online games after barely playing for years... (obv Ivey is a GOAT dolt)

ivey was playing 100/200+ NL and PLO on pokerstars before the FT relaunch and if i remember the games didnt really have waiting lists. but also those were the biggest games online at the time so i guess its a lot different

No, and that's not strange at all, these guys don't play much 6m nlhe, esp online, these stars regs play a shatton of it, so they are better at it.

It's as simple as that.

or maybe he had access to other regs hand histories back when it was corrupt as ****

The most revealing aspect of this prop is the "two weeks of study" part.

The idea that you can beat the best HS regs by simply studying for two weeks and then closing the books and jumping in is absurd, as these guys all study constantly out of necessity simply to maintain their level of play and stay ahead of developments in the game.

It's like saying to beat Nadal in tennis you just work out and practice for (even a year) and then play. NO, you need to do that prep work and then practice/study constantly just for maintenance. I think the same is true for the highest levels of poker. Another example might be Brady or Manning in football, who don't leave the film room between July and February every year.

His notion that he could just cram for a couple weeks, shut the books, and then rape the field, should make anyone with the $ bet DN asap. I'd take him more seriously if he said "devote my life to beating the highest stakes for 3 years, $10 million bet."

This whole thing would be more interesting if it was like 100NL online. 5kNL is just a joke.

This. And 3 years wouldn't even be nearly enough time if he didn't have access to coaching from Ike and Kanu. I think DN is an awesome guy and I have tons of respect for him but he just doesn't quite understand how good the best players are and how deeply they understand the game. It's not 2005 anymore; poker is a much more efficient market these days and people that make six figures playing it online are putting in about as much effort as people making six figures in other jobs. 2 weeks? More like 5 years.

Since its pretty much unanimously decided that an experienced professional of Daniel's calibre couldn't beat the game with 2 weeks of study, here is an interesting proposition...

What odds would a high stakes 6-max crusher need to be offered to take on a bet that they could train an amateur of sound intelligence over 2 weeks, to beat the 5knl games on their own over a 250k hand sample?

Keep in mind they can offer the player the tools to accomplish this such as hand histories, reads on players and seating scripts etc. It would be foolish to assume this wouldn't happen in this type of bet so why ban it.

ROFL

There's no such thing as enough money.

ROFLMFAO @ "small ball"

Yeah, his results have really sucked. And he probably has trouble paying the rent on his little apartment and making payments on his 1994 Subaru.

Fragile egos not seeing the big picture.

+1

It's refreshing, though, to see their metagame only goes so far before ego takes over

I disagree with the last two posts. There might be a small bit of communal ego hurt going on, but overall I think it's more of a lol fest at how naive he is. (And just to confirm, I am not one of these 25/50 regs so I am not speaking from experience, but I do know how hard these guys have worked and how hard the games now are at a lower level in comparison to higher games a few years ago)

As for not seeing the big pic: I really think it is irrelevant because there is just no hope anyway that he will ever play online again. The guy ain't stupid and would learn pretty quick that the regs are owning him. Why play Forhaley & Kanu etc when you can sit in a Vegas cash game v Eli & Doyle etc ? These old live donk specialists don't play online because they stopped winning money at it years ago. Negs is just high as a kite at the moment after the WSOP and addicted to ill informed verbal spewing.

I questioned DN's judgement in my previous post but DN still deserves a "fair" treatment if this bet will ever take place in the future.

For instance..if the current general setup (e.g per Kanu in this thread and per Doug Polk in the referenced youtube video) in PS 6 max 25/50 NLHE games is 5 pros/regs and 1 fish/recreplayer then DN deserves that lineup because that is what he - indirectly, not necessarily knowing beforehand - asserted to play +EV

How to accomplish that when regs bumhunt DN with seat seating scripts is another matter.

I doubt Negreanu would sit and solely play regs, I'm sure he would game select a ton if possible. Who knows, Negreanu clearly made an effort like this years ago not sure how that turned out lol.

is this right ?
because i have trouble understanding this . I mean there are lot of MS playes that also play regulary the big live mtt tours and they do it with
variable results (reason :large fields,variance,lol donkaments,who knows ... )
So if i understand right, this guys should have no problem stepping in
the smaller field SHR and crushing the german crew and seiver likes, right ?

am i missing something ?

Different formats. The online guys would adjust quicker to the live donkaments than the live (especially older, like Negs) donkers would adjust to the online cash games, which are at an extremely high level. The online guys largely don't try to make the switch due to crazy variance in donkaments, smaller samples to iron out the variance and overall inconvenience etc

Pretty sure MSNL regs are no where near rolled for SHR MTTs(SNGs because that's essentially what they are), even if they only took 5% of theirselves in 50ks+. Zzzzzzz

I would crush 25/50 with a month's training if someone had a 100% of me.

what i learned in nvg today:
With a massive roll MS players should have no problem crushing SHR's

ty.

Daniel Negreanu's Up For a $25/$50 Online Challenge Eventually



He does say he'd like to address seat scripting though so that's pretty cool.