lol, DN simply doesn't know just how much progress has been made at NL cash over the last 3-4 years. he probably genuinely thinks it still plays like it did in 2009 and with a bit of practice/coaching he could maybe beat it like he (allegedly) did back then. this is simply far from the truth and if he ever goes through with it, he will quickly realize this. however, i highly doubt he's just self-promoting or trying to insult anyone.

Too long to be a level but damn it looks so much like it..

At least he is wiling to play in these games as most others aren't unless the game absolutely perfect for them to sit. However, I would wear my tinfoil hat if the most famous pokerstars pro was willing to bet $1 Million dollars cash that he could be anyone on the site that he gets paid millions of dollars to play on. Indeed very trollish, rigged, blah blah type of post but jeez...a milly cash?

So far, it seems he's only willing to talk about playing in these games. It doesn't look like he will actually go through with the challenge.

SO many people butthurt jelly on DN,its unreal

PokerStars Hand #120219513522: Tournament #949963870, 900+100 HORSE (Razz Limit) - Level III (40/80) - 2014/08/17 8:43:57 ETTotal pot 776 | Rake 0
Seat 2: KewlBlu folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ildar358 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: markoleino1 showed [2d 7s 3c 7d 4s 3h Qd] and lost with Lo: Q,7,4,3,2
Seat 5: jake4444 folded on the 5th Street
Seat 6: lexus7812 showed [7c Jc 9h 8h Th 7h Jh] and won (776) with Lo: J,T,9,8,7
Seat 7: nab7616 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: dani0503 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

wrong thread ^^^ still kinda cool he won a razz hand when he had a straight flush lol

You ppl are just as lol delusional as dnegs... He should start at 2/4 or 3/6? Are u ***** kidding me? He would get absolutely destroyed at midstakes. watch some of his "hand analysis" from hsp/big game, its just embarrasing how flawed his fundamentals are.

Ffs the guy raises turns "to see where he is at". I have absolutely no doubt dnegs would be struggling on 50zoom thes days, him saying he could beat the best cash game players in the world, when in reality he couldnt beat the line-ups like eli elezra, sam farha and mike the mouth, is just as absurd as his BR challenge which stopped at 300$ cause he couldnt figure out a way to beat nl25 in 2010 when no one knew how to play for ****s sakes.

Why is it so hard to realize DN's statement is just an advertisement for PokerStars (attempt to get high stakes NLHE games running consistently on Stars)?

and caipsa

my ass willi is a GTO prodigy,so how does he crush those games?

They don't care about these games, they convert deposits into revenues at a much higher rate at small/micro stakes with way less issues.

Question: Why would these great players waste their time trading money back in forth to other great players in these games, when they could theoretically go to any live HSNL game and make 25 bb/100?

If the games are as tough as everyone here is saying, it would be impossible for even the best player in the world to beat them for anything more than 3 bb/100 in the long run. Wouldn't even single-tabling live at 25bb/100(or even 17-20 bb/100) be way more profitable, and way way less variance, than hoping to squeak out 2bb/100 online against other top players?

You are mistaken, ppl like forhaley have close to a 10bb/100 winrate at 5knl. Also there are very few north americans at the top level of 6max now, most are from Russia, Sweden etc, so you are asking a lot out of them to just leave there home country to play lollive poker, especially since they are not guaranteed a seat in the game. What ppl are saying is that Dnegs is a geat player etc, but he is simply outmatched by 5knl regs who have dedicated there life to 1 variant of poker, specifically 100bbs deep 6 max cash. Dnegs is simply drawing dead to be a winner in that game, and that isnt even a huge slight on him, literally 99% of poker players would be dogs in that game.

Nik Heineker made $6 million in 65,000 hands last year.
Alex Millar made $2 million in 33,000 hands.
Christoph Vogelsang made a million in just 13,000.

None of them had to get out of bed if they didn't want to.

Source: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/0...f-20-17159.htm

While Negreanu was putting on his suit and doing interviews with the all important poker media, Heineker was winning $94 per hand and Vogelsang (who cashed for $4 million in his first ever WSOP event) was making $110 per hand.

The nosebleed cash players can afford to play super high rollers for lolz, as Heineker, Cates, Vogelsang and Haxton have already proved, with some pretty stellar results in LOL donkaments.

Exactly this, it makes no sense for him to put himself in this position unless he has some sort of unknown edge or is delusional.

Pretty much agree, absolute zero chance he could ever beat 200nl-400nl zoom over 60k hands. He is better than he was in say 2009, but he is not even close to exclusively online players, especially the best in the world.

Even players who haven't played against him would figure out his tendencies within an hour or so. His so called "misclicks" are recognizable now to people in the game.

Somebody posted in here that the highest winning player was 3-5bb/100 I believe, don't quote me but I believe I read a post in this thread stating and proving it.

While I agree that it's absurd of Daniel to think he can beat 25/50, I think it's just as absurd that people think he would have a hard time beating 200/400 zoom if he worked a bit on his game. The games are really not that tough.

Ok, you named the players who won these games last year, what about the players who lost? Presumably they are also among the very best NL cash players in the world(from what this thread says). They just spent last year donating millions to other great players when they could have been playing against opponents who they could crush.

And just because the players you mentioned had good years does not mean that those numbers come even close to accurately reflecting their winrates.

if all these wealthy businessmen would jump in the games if the little bald guy played surely stars should force him to play from time to time and make him earn his keep while giving the poker economy an influx of cash rather than him getting paid to post bull**** self obsessed nonsense

So how do you solve the paradox of the fifth and sixth best players simultaneously being such great players while and being such big suckers that they don't play smaller instead? The two possible answers are that they are egomaniacs or that the two worst players in the game are actually quite a bit weaker than the best players in 5-10 games.

High stakes games when they are run are way softer than 2.5/5 or 5/10 ZOOM and it's not even remotely close. Nobody could win 10bb/100 in 500 ZOOM. Some of the players who do great at high stakes haven't even won 3bb/100 there, let alone 3x that much.
The thing is it's very difficult to get volume at those stakes. You need to cast your nets at many sites, many tables, constantly monitor for fish or reg on tilt and you also need to be great player (if you are not, the games will form around you which makes fish hunting way more difficult).
DN's problem is that once he sits the sharks arrive and he will never be in game with another fish.

The tables only run when there is a fish. Typically there are a 2-3 of the extremely good players playing together, aware that they are really close in skill and content testing themselves and guaranteeing a seat if there is a recreational player online. A full game however if going to have 5 players that vary in skill from very very good to exceptional, and one weak player.

I will preface this by saying that I do not play 5knl, I play 500z-1000z, meaning regs who play in the game wil have a better idea of the high stakes climate. With that being said, I do rail 5knl quite a bit so from what I see 5knl simply does not run w/o there being some perceived fish in the game. With KOTH running at 5knl, there is some battling for tables, but that usually consists of 50bb HU etc. In other words, the game does not run w the 6 best 6max players in the game, atleast I have not seen it happen. I typically see forhaley and one other reg sit out at a table until a fish joins. So in theory I think your observation is accurate, but in a practical sense the top regs understand that there edge over each other is not as large as it is over the fish, so regs will wait for the better opportunity to make money. Also I see a bunch of 5knl regs play 1k zoom as well 500nl zoom, which might mean that they think there hourly is higher in the latter games than in a tough 6max 5k lineup.

not 100% sure I'm understanding what you're asking correctly but I play those games and it'll usually be that the weakest player in the game is a recreational player and the other 5 will be pros. If Daniel was playing, Daniel would be the weak player with the other 5 being online pros (unless he manages to improve a lot)

Is this a sure thing now re zoom, red baron shat all over on zoom500 when he took it on as challenge, there isnt enough samples of greatgreat players in it imo since they move on / higher. sure it was some time ago but still. #motivation

Edit: revisited thread, it was 9 months from 2012 to late 2013 so i guess it was way to long ago..man time flies... #sighwearealldoomed

Question: Would DN be at the same disadvantage if he were to play the same 5kNL lineups but in a live setting (cash)?