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03-22-2022 , 12:34 PM
-Most 3 figure cashes all time
-Most tournaments played
-Played all limits $10 tourneys and up
-Most profitable player all time (pending confirmation from atarirobby
-will surpass $4 Million tournament profit this year or next
-2013 HPT Player of the Year
-Player advocate
-Made Tournament Structures Great Again
-Appeared on High Stakes Poker player DN's vlog
-#1 Hendon Mob all time lookups of critics
-#1 Soda thief
-Most rides asked for via Twitter
-The GOAT
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03-22-2022 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDirt
-Most 3 figure cashes all time
It has been 7 years since Allen has won a live poker tournament, and 5 years since he has finished 1st or 2nd in a tournament, 4 years since finishing 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, and so on.

Talk about being on a cooler.
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03-22-2022 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDirt
-Most 3 figure cashes all time
-Most tournaments played
-Played all limits $10 tourneys and up
-Most profitable player all time (pending confirmation from atarirobby
-will surpass $4 Million tournament profit this year or next
-2013 HPT Player of the Year
-Player advocate
-Made Tournament Structures Great Again
-Appeared on High Stakes Poker player DN's vlog
-#1 Hendon Mob all time lookups of critics
-#1 Soda thief
-Most rides asked for via Twitter
-The GOAT
I played with him twice in last year WSOP .I am just a Rec Player so my opinion doesn’t mean much . I saw a decent skillful player with good poker sense. I am surprise when I checked his Handon Mobs stats! He must be one of the unlucky player or people have figured him out completely and he doesn’t change gears . Otherwise he should have much better results then he has .

“Most 3 figure cashes all time “…..Funny but cruel ):

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03-22-2022 , 03:24 PM
He bums for rides on Facebook too

He's also most likely to be the first player complaining at a newly opened table
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03-22-2022 , 03:49 PM
You forgot most food coupons obtained from WSOP floormen.
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03-22-2022 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by iwasbanned
It has been 7 years since Allen has won a live poker tournament, and 5 years since he has finished 1st or 2nd in a tournament, 4 years since finishing 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, and so on.

Talk about being on a cooler.
Despite playing a full slate of WSOP 10k events in 2021, and a lot of 3500+ WPT/WSOPc main events post-pandemic, it has been nearly 3 years since he even had a single five figure score.

He is probably the biggest loser (in terms of $ won/lost) in the history of live tournament poker.
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03-22-2022 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by HLOchi
Despite playing a full slate of WSOP 10k events in 2021, and a lot of 3500+ WPT/WSOPc main events post-pandemic, it has been nearly 3 years since he even had a single five figure score.

He is probably the biggest loser (in terms of $ won/lost) in the history of live tournament poker.
It seems to me he plays a pre 2004 style of poker in tournaments and hasn't adjusted to the new generation of aggression. Sure you can play tight solid and go strong with your premiums, but you're gonna lose flips, get sucked out on, get draws made on you a fair amount of the time. Unfortunately for Allen, he doesn't have it in him to 3bet or dare I say 4bet with hands like 97 suited or 76 suited etc...

He understands the game but imo he is tight to a fault. Then he gets angry when he waits and waits and waits and finally gets it all in with AK to some aggressive guy's shove with 98 of hearts and loses.
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03-22-2022 , 11:11 PM
most action sold on stakekings
most vouchers earned and redeemed
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03-23-2022 , 12:35 AM
Subject of the most NVG threads
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03-23-2022 , 01:11 AM
I assume that he’s up a solid amount lifetime in tourneys, limit cash, and advantage casino play, before you add in comps/rake back. If you can survive for decades grinding and not have a bad rep, that is probably worth something, just not a first ballot HOFer.

I do think it is odd that he has this smart/human calculator image but is actually bad at pretty simple math/equity calcs but who knows maybe he is better at that now.

Example: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/8...21/?highlight=
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03-23-2022 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
It seems to me he plays a pre 2004 style of poker in tournaments and hasn't adjusted to the new generation of aggression. Sure you can play tight solid and go strong with your premiums, but you're gonna lose flips, get sucked out on, get draws made on you a fair amount of the time. Unfortunately for Allen, he doesn't have it in him to 3bet or dare I say 4bet with hands like 97 suited or 76 suited etc...

He understands the game but imo he is tight to a fault. Then he gets angry when he waits and waits and waits and finally gets it all in with AK to some aggressive guy's shove with 98 of hearts and loses.

It'd amazing how soft poker was back then and how much someone playing like him could make
Tons of pros had a bunch of 6 figure cashes for multiple years until around 2008-2010 and then it's just tons of small cashes despite playing full slates
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03-23-2022 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lionelhuttz
If you can survive for decades grinding and not have a bad rep, that is probably worth something, just not a first ballot HOFer.

I thought he had a bad rep with poker room staff for being such a PITA all the time?

I've only played with him once and as soon as he sat down in our mixed cash game he immediately started complaining about the way something was being done.
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03-23-2022 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDirt
-will surpass $4 Million tournament profit this year or next
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Originally Posted by HLOchi

He is probably the biggest loser (in terms of $ won/lost) in the history of live tournament poker.
You are clearly wrong, he is very close to $4m in profit

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Originally Posted by SNGplayer24
allen do you ever get to the bubble with over 20 bb?
One more on his list of accolades:
-Never making it to the bubble with over 20 BB
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03-23-2022 , 09:07 AM
This thread is a bunch of garbage trying to bully a nice enough dude for no reason.

Kessler is a great guy to play with, has always been pleasant enough the various times i've drawn his table over the years and he's a good advocate for the game even if obviously he can be socially awkward in how he does it at times but clearly he has a lot of passion for getting good structures/consistent rules in place and so on and obviously floor people are free to ignore his suggestions if they want to but advocating for better games (in his opinion at least) is not something that should be mocked.

I don't think anyone including the man himself would claim he's beating high stakes games, there's no shame in grinding random lower stake stuff if he can do it comfortably and enjoy the grind.

The people mocking/memeing/trying to bully a grown man in the thread are a bunch of ****ing losers and you should be ashamed of themselves.

Full disclosure; am not friends with Allen Kessler and don't know him outside of having played live tourneys with him a single digit number of times over the years and he's always come across to me as one of the good guys in poker.
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03-23-2022 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ProffesionalMalaka
You are clearly wrong, he is very close to $4m in profit
His Hendon Mob shows almost $4 million in "cashes". That isn't the same thing as "profit"
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03-23-2022 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
This thread is a bunch of garbage trying to bully a nice enough dude for no reason.

Kessler is a great guy to play with, has always been pleasant enough the various times i've drawn his table over the years and he's a good advocate for the game even if obviously he can be socially awkward in how he does it at times but clearly he has a lot of passion for getting good structures/consistent rules in place and so on and obviously floor people are free to ignore his suggestions if they want to but advocating for better games (in his opinion at least) is not something that should be mocked.

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I've only played with him one time and he came across as a mis-reg with all the complaining he did, wasn't much fun to be around. That being said, I do agree that he does advocate for positive changes to poker, although his approach could use some work as he alienates himself from being well-liked by the management he's trying to convince.
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03-23-2022 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
This thread is a bunch of garbage trying to bully a nice enough dude for no reason.

Kessler is a great guy to play with, has always been pleasant enough the various times i've drawn his table over the years and he's a good advocate for the game even if obviously he can be socially awkward in how he does it at times but clearly he has a lot of passion for getting good structures/consistent rules in place and so on and obviously floor people are free to ignore his suggestions if they want to but advocating for better games (in his opinion at least) is not something that should be mocked.

I don't think anyone including the man himself would claim he's beating high stakes games, there's no shame in grinding random lower stake stuff if he can do it comfortably and enjoy the grind.

The people mocking/memeing/trying to bully a grown man in the thread are a bunch of ****ing losers and you should be ashamed of themselves.

Full disclosure; am not friends with Allen Kessler and don't know him outside of having played live tourneys with him a single digit number of times over the years and he's always come across to me as one of the good guys in poker.
“ …..I played with him twice in last year WSOP .I am just a Rec Player so my opinion doesn’t mean much . I saw a decent skillful player with good poker sense. I am surprise when I checked his Handon Mobs stats! He must be one of the unlucky player or people have figured him out completely and he doesn’t change gears . Otherwise he should have much better results then he has .

“Most 3 figure cashes all time “…..Funny but cruel ):[/QUOTE]

I whole heartedly agree with you . In fact my post was to defend him. Even I know him, he had no idea who I am ! I am not his friend just a casual poker player .
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03-23-2022 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
It'd amazing how soft poker was back then and how much someone playing like him could make
Tons of pros had a bunch of 6 figure cashes for multiple years until around 2008-2010 and then it's just tons of small cashes despite playing full slates
Exactly great points.
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03-23-2022 , 11:10 AM
why do people dislike this guy so much
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03-23-2022 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ejames209
why do people dislike this guy so much
Because he's not likeable?
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03-23-2022 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
This thread is a bunch of garbage trying to bully a nice enough dude for no reason.

Kessler is a great guy to play with, has always been pleasant enough the various times i've drawn his table over the years and he's a good advocate for the game even if obviously he can be socially awkward in how he does it at times but clearly he has a lot of passion for getting good structures/consistent rules in place and so on and obviously floor people are free to ignore his suggestions if they want to but advocating for better games (in his opinion at least) is not something that should be mocked.

I don't think anyone including the man himself would claim he's beating high stakes games, there's no shame in grinding random lower stake stuff if he can do it comfortably and enjoy the grind.

The people mocking/memeing/trying to bully a grown man in the thread are a bunch of ****ing losers and you should be ashamed of themselves.

Full disclosure; am not friends with Allen Kessler and don't know him outside of having played live tourneys with him a single digit number of times over the years and he's always come across to me as one of the good guys in poker.
One thing is for sure. There are few more good players whose results surprises me. Not matching their basic potential.

Let’s make this thread more productive. We all will learn from this.

Another player in my view not having results as per their skill is :
Kathy Liebert . A great player in my view.
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03-23-2022 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
This thread is a bunch of garbage trying to bully a nice enough dude for no reason.

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Totally agree on this.

Kessler just hums along and plays his game and lives his life under his terms and not to impress others . Never once in any drama or sketch behaviour in a world of cheats, scums, cockroaches and ego inflated baller boys.

That is an accomplishment in and of itself.
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03-23-2022 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TampaKn1sh
Because he's not likeable?
how so? I don't even disagree, I know next to nothing about him except that he's a live MTT grinder.
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03-23-2022 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
This thread is a bunch of garbage trying to bully a nice enough dude for no reason.
Exactly.

We are talking decades of poker without any scandal. And decades spent being an advocate for making improvements to poker.

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03-23-2022 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TampaKn1sh
I thought he had a bad rep with poker room staff for being such a PITA all the time?

I've only played with him once and as soon as he sat down in our mixed cash game he immediately started complaining about the way something was being done.
I mean he’s not a scumbag thief afaik or what has been posted publicly. Otherwise, I’m sure you are right that he is awful for cash games, I just thought non-stop whining and complaining was so common at mixed limit live cash that he blended in a little better.

It is kind of amazing that he has been around so long and knows so little about the soft skills of poker. It doesn’t take a genius to realize when you jump into a cash game and are immediately complaining you will get so much less action and cut your earning potential in half.
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