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01-19-2016 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ohmyquad
was bill perkins involved?
He is the baby's daddy.
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01-19-2016 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevmath
Aussie Millions Terms and Conditions:

https://www.aussiemillions.com/Asset...Conditions.pdf

The relevant passage is Rule 2.13
Live tournament ghosting clause!
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01-19-2016 , 05:01 PM
Maybe one of her opponents at the table induced her.
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01-19-2016 , 05:02 PM
This seems like a reasonable exception to the rules.
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01-19-2016 , 05:10 PM
Lets remember this thread if Allen makes the November 9 someday and is in a position that he's unable to continue playing
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01-19-2016 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevmath
Aussie Millions Terms and Conditions:

https://www.aussiemillions.com/Asset...Conditions.pdf

The relevant passage is Rule 2.13
The key point is "at the discretion of the TD". If some player gets in a violent car crash halfway thru the event and cannot continue, TD may allow his brother to continue on, etc., etc.

It clearly does not mean if I happen to make the final two tables, I can drop out and nominate Haxton, Ivey, Negreanu, etc to take my stack. I'm quite confident it's only for absurd circumstances.

That being said, I think it's pretty ridiculous, and unhealthy, for a full-term pregnant woman about to deliver to enter a multi-day poker tournament....
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01-19-2016 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
November 9 guy becomes ill and is hospitalized, has (insert name) take over for him.

Can you imagine the outrage?

By the way there is precedent for this situation at wsop.

John cernuto was rushed to hospital late in an event.

His stack was blinded out. Wsop refused to refund his buyin, but players did.
A wrong decision doesn't have to be a precedent.
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01-19-2016 , 06:27 PM
So I can make the final table of a big event and muster up some kind of accident or illness and have my 4th cousin Daniel Negreanu take over. Good to know.
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01-19-2016 , 06:54 PM
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01-19-2016 , 07:15 PM
to me having someone else take over the stack seems better than taking money out of the prize pool
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01-19-2016 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
November 9 guy becomes ill and is hospitalized, has (insert name) take over for him.
Sure, at the tournament director's discretion and that (insert name) hasn't played in the tournament yet, assuming this is even in the WSOP rules (don't think it is). This woman wasn't going to give Ivey a call and have him takeover. It may be a slippery slope situation to an extent but it's not carte blanche for having your high stakes buddy takeover if you have a tummy ache
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01-19-2016 , 07:35 PM
Hahaha. Women have babies months early all the time, especially with IVF, I've had friends who've had babies 4 months early and 2 months early as well as weeks late. There's nothing wrong with sitting in a casino, germs and all, especially very pregnant since there's not much you can do but be off your feet. Plus, it probably her last tournament in a long time. I'm sure she wasn't planning to have her baby at crown, and it's a decent buy in, why wouldn't she want someone to play her stack and possibly cash if she couldn't? The baby isn't going to know if it's father isn't there and babies are expensive
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01-19-2016 , 07:55 PM
such an angle, how do we know women arent getting pregnant just to multiaccount a live mtt

also, isnt a pregnant women playing tecnically two people per hand?
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01-19-2016 , 08:19 PM
This shows how low a lot of poker players are.
You just playing a game, and a woman going to get birth and you just want to fine her 1000$+ for that so you can take some of it.
sometimes i am ashamed to cal myself a poker player because of people like this who play poker.
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01-19-2016 , 08:24 PM
NVG dropping prebirth parenting advice left and right. I think I'm getting a headache.
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01-19-2016 , 08:29 PM
Brings a whole new meaning to "check to induce".
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01-19-2016 , 08:38 PM
Lots of assumptions ITT without anyone knowing the full facts. Maybe she gave birth far earlier than expected? Also, she gave birth in the morning one day prior to Day 2 (on Flight 4, having played the day before in Flight 3).
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01-19-2016 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AntoniusBlock
Brings a whole new meaning to "check to induce".
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01-19-2016 , 08:46 PM
Maybe Antonio should have just claimed that his water broke.
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01-19-2016 , 09:21 PM
Can ICM calculators even handle hundreds of players?

Obviously stopping play to count stacks down to do an ICM payout is a terrible solution.
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01-19-2016 , 10:26 PM
First of all, some of the responses in the last day or so are some of the funniest ish I've seen on 2+2 in a while. ("Check to induce" = gold, and the Antonio/water broke one made me spit take.) Well played.

Secondly...

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Originally Posted by bazooka87
Sure, at the tournament director's discretion and that (insert name) hasn't played in the tournament yet, assuming this is even in the WSOP rules (don't think it is). This woman wasn't going to give Ivey a call and have him takeover. It may be a slippery slope situation to an extent but it's not carte blanche for having your high stakes buddy takeover if you have a tummy ache
From what I see, the transfer is prohibited by Rule 19, although the "reserves the right" part probably leaves the door open for special circumstances. But I would guess it would have to be approved before the event begins.

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19. No teams, substitutes, transfers or assisted play will be permitted. Rio reserves the right to accommodate participants based on special needs.
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01-19-2016 , 10:34 PM
What would Jack do?
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01-19-2016 , 10:47 PM
Encouraging poker players to breed is good for poker......not so good for society, but good for poker.

I support this rule.
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01-19-2016 , 10:55 PM
Lay off Chainsaw please people. I think just about all of us are cool with the decision in this situation but it begs the question - "What are the actual rules?".

If I'm giving birth during a life-altering positive event, I am allowed a sub. Is this the official rule now that will hold for all tournaments?

What if I'm having a heart attack? What if the CL dies before the November 9 and has a bunch of action sold out?

I agree in that blinding out the woman in labor is extremely harsh but so are many other scenarios and you wonder what the rules are by the precedent being set here. Will it just be up to the tournament director's discretion? That's what Rule 19 implies and I'm cool with it, though it opens up a lot more questions. Who can I pick for a sub? If I'm a woman and don't have my husband there, can I have my good friend Shaun Deeb or Tony Gregg finish the tournament for me? What if exceptions are allowed for illness and someone intentionally makes themselves extremely sick to realize $200K in equity? etc.
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01-19-2016 , 10:56 PM
She should have got her husband to hold up some towels and given birth under the table. She could have kept playing that way.
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