Yep. Stomp them out of your player pool while you can before they get their hands on some money.



I've even got a couple rich guys in my player pool to stop running it twice with pros or guys trying to work their way up. Some will still happily run it twice with other recs but with pros hell no. Half of these pros while winning players are a couple months of run bad away from being broke. Dont help keep them in the game. Let's see how well they play when running bad and they start feeling the squeeze financially.

I first remember hearing about running it twice on "High Stakes Poker". Regardless of who introduced it to the rest of the poker world, I wish it had never happened. It is a constant time-waster that accomplishes absolutely nothing. If you can't afford to lose a $1000 pot in a 2/5 game, then you should move down in stakes. If you're taking a shot, wouldn't. you want to embrace that variance instead of minimizing it? Isn't that the whole point of taking a shot, to make a big score and build up your roll quicker so you can start playing higher? No, it's not shot-takers.

The only reasons that people want to run it twice at low stakes games are because they saw it on TV and think it makes them cool, and/or they can't stand the idea of getting felted if their opponent draws out.

If I were king, I would outright ban it at anything lower than 10/20 NL.

At these stakes I think it's fine. If you're playing at these stakes, players should be familiar with running it twice. This is why many casinos use buttons to indicate a double run-out exactly for this reason.

while most regs prefer to run it twice, the only people I've seen insist on running it more than once were recs who felt out of their depths. While games will rarely run around them, these loose-passive weak players are the bread and butter of live poker and the most consistent source of money for good regs, so I don't think that you'd want to actively discourage them from playing

I've seen regs beg like dogs to run it twice in pots that aren't even that big for the game.

No doubt there are some recs who also like it as well but the percentages of people who beg (or cry when you don't RIT) is way higher among regs.

Overall it's a massive time suck and generally terrible for the game. This is an extreme example and a terrible ruling but one that isn't that rare when someone tries to scum the second run.

I've also seen genuine confusion leading to a massive delay in the game. For example one guy genuinely saying once multi way and for whatever reason the dealer not understanding or clarifying with them.

Then there are the people who want to "go twice for everything" multiway when the "one time" guy loses which is not allowed in almost any room I've played in for at least the last decade. Somehow when you explain to these cowards that you can't do that and it's 2 separate pots they didn't can't comprehend it.

There are some exceptions where it's good for the game like a really special player preferring it or maybe some 5 handed game at 4am that's going to break if one guy scoops a multiway all in.

I am with borg 100%. One of the worst things introduced to poker, other then Mississippi straddles. If you can't handle the variance, play smaller or play something other than PLO. If someone needs to run it twice to reduce variance to play a certain stake, they probably won't last long anyway. Your just prolonging the inevitable. If you are that worried about variance in the game your playing, it is affecting other things in your game as well, whether you notice it consciously or not.

At private/home games, fine. Shouldn't be allowed at a casino in a public game imo.

dunno, I don't play in US, maybe in Europe regs are actually rolled for the games they play, but I don't think I've ever seen one insist on RIT, usually it's just "twice?" "once" "ok". Meanwhile, I see recreationals heavily insist on RIT almost every session

unless by "regs" you mean "slowly losing nits", but these are who I refered to as "bread and butter recreationals"

edit: for the record, I'm not advocating for RIT, I'm just indifferent. It does not matter to me personally and in terms of game quality it has downsides (slows down the game) and upsides (keep recreationals, and thus the game, alive for longer)

I've been playing live poker for ~15 years and never myself been involved in any hands where there was this sort of disagreement over whether it was actually going to be run twice, whether as an angleshoot or not.

It's something that's in everyone's interests, the players get to lower their variance, the house gets the game to run for longer. That it is open to possible angleshooting is not an argument to get rid of it, it's an argument to make sure everyone's on the same page before anything happens.

You could have a rule about a minimum pot size qualifying to RIT if you like, but unless you have a huge reciprocal tilt advantage, and even then, it's not serving your own long term interests to be an ******* who's so tough and brave about rawdogging the PLO variance. LOL, get off your high horses.

If you're looking for 'one of the worst things introduced to poker' then you need to look at 1% of pots coming off the table for people taking insurance in online poker. Shocking to me when people just RIO online but then also cash out. Absolute idiocy.

Lol, always rio and get the official raw dog jacket

Rawdogging the plo variance - thank you sir I am using that from now on.

The funny thing is it's not like some super brave thing to rawdog it. It's just super ****ing cowardly pussy behavior to run it twice while completely slowing the game down in the process. A guy who plays once in a while-whatever A reg who plays that stake 40-50 hours a week and still has to run it twice - utterly pathetic behavior.

To be clear it's not super common for some discrepancy as to how many times it's being ran but I'll see it 2-3 times a year. I also see way more dealer mistakes in pots ran twice especially when it's multiway.

Where are you guys playing live? 2-5 is a rake game, you don't run it twice. You RIT in time games. Lol at running it twice in a 1k pot. Also where do you play where you can RIT multiway? I have literally never seen someone take exception to someone choosing either way. Just a quick question and then 1 or 2. Takes literally maybe a few seconds longer. Also lmao at not RIT in PLO. I guess if you are playing 5-0 or 5-10 PLO with like a million dollar bankroll and you enjoy swings its cool

100% ageee.

Button straddle stilll being the worst for the game flow in PLO, RIT can also f it up pretty bad for no reason. Talking about live uncapped games. For online I guess it is not that bad since it’s automated, you can not get angled and losing like 500-600bb pot is really annoying if you can only 100bb.

A really good, full game broke once because two short stacks that are all in every hand got it in on the flop and after a full minute of “I don’t care, you pick - No, my friend, you pick” back and forth they finally agreed to RIT, shocker, one guy got 3/4 but the dealer messed up the stacks. It took floor and surveillance whole 15 minutes to figure it out and in the meantime everyone left.

I got angled once the same way at the Wynn 5 card game. Short stack was all in pre for 3k, me and other guy got another 10ish on the flop. We all say twice, short stack kinda gives a silent nod, rivers set on the first one and obviously says he never agreed to twice which he technically didn’t.

This happens literally all the time and casinos dgaf since it’s always time games. We can play 1 hand per down for all they care.

that is what tilted me the most actually (besides for the lost money obv):
the dealer clearly confirmed the call for twice, so the floor ruling makes even less sense after that

yep, kinda crazy that this is even in doubt in here ...

+1

also: whale/fish (that you really want in the game), often wanna gamble, and like the concept of twice, bc it gives them another thrill/experience.

anyway:
discussion somewhat deviated from my original post (crazy ruling), but the general consensus seems to be that i got scammed there.

regarding the rit general discussion, i understand arguments for both sides, but the strongest argument can not be denied imo:
customers want it, so you give it to them.

So it isn't half thrill plus half thrill, that's one thrill?

Yea you def got scammed and yes we did get kind of side tracked. But what happened to you is something that definitely does happen occasionally and the casinos NEVER give a ****. As someone else said they really don't care if we get one hand an hour if we're paying time and they just dont get involved in this kind of dispute.

It's definitely something people should factor in when deciding to RIT especially against total randoms.

could also be 2/3 ... depends on your math, mood, and time of day ;-))

ofc, totally agree.
but, to clarify: the game had been running for a while, with other RIT situations, all good, no problems that far (i guess bc that guy didn't loose in them ... hehe ..)

There is zero chance a foreigner is playing 10/25 plo in the US and did not know they were running it twice in a pot after being asked twice and confirmed twice. Awful ruling and the foreigner should be banned for minimum of the rest of the session for angle shooting, and possibly permanently.

of course he's a scamming pos that should be banned.

Wasn’t this hand being played in Czech Republic?