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12-27-2020 , 05:55 PM
Bump thread to report that some of the below ideas made by Bitter13 may be coming to fruition if we are to believe the rumors reported by the Trooper concerning Bally's in the video shown after the below post.

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Originally Posted by Bitter13
OP came close to the point, but just missed. And those that think he was talking about a 100% poker casino are missing the point completely.

There is only one real scenario where this could be successful, and I've scratched my head for many years wondering why this hasn't happened.

View: Caesars Entertainment is not making the most of their WSOP Brand. A WSOP branded center-strip casino would go a long way to promoting their brand.

As others have touched on, the Rio is the defacto WSOP Hotel and casino for 2 months a year. As successful as that is though, it's less than ideal.
Of course, a poker themed hotel and casino would be just that: a THEMED full casino that offers all the action of any other casino (Slots, tables, etc)
The WSOP brand is much more lucrative than say, the Bally's or Rio brand.
Bally's is located at literally the intersection of the gaming universe and yet the hotel/casino is run-down and valued at a fraction of Caesars or Bellagio (or even Paris) at the same intersection

IMO, CET should re-brand Bally's as The WSOP Hotel and Casino.

They should preserve the existing casino and give it an aesthetic makeover. Build the largest sportsbook in vegas, and construct a new connected poker tournament / cash game facility in the current event space and expanded into the open lot area bordered by Flamingo and Koval. The RIO convention space is approx 200,000sf, and there is easily enough space in that open lot to build a world class tournament area...
Trooper reports interesting rumors at the 12:31 mark concerning big changes at the Bally's poker room; and even a possible name change for Bally's to "The Horseshoe". Yes 2021 could be an interesting year even with the pandemic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOGUluDEY_I
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12-27-2020 , 07:18 PM
The Binion family sold the Horseshoe brand to MTR Gaming in 2004, hence Binion's Horseshoe Casino changing names to just Binion's Gambling Hall & Hotel.
in 2014, MTR merged with Eldorado Resorts.
in July 2020, Eldorado Resorts acquired Caesars Entertainment.
Finally, there's a way for the Horseshoe brand to return at a Caesars resort.

Bugger all to do with a poker themed hotel though, Ted.
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12-27-2020 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
The Binion family sold the Horseshoe brand to MTR Gaming in 2004, hence Binion's Horseshoe Casino changing names to just Binion's Gambling Hall & Hotel.
in 2014, MTR merged with Eldorado Resorts.
in July 2020, Eldorado Resorts acquired Caesars Entertainment.
Finally, there's a way for the Horseshoe brand to return at a Caesars resort.

Bugger all to do with a poker themed hotel though, Ted.
So the Horseshoe brand and expanding the poker room while others like the Mirage, Mandalay Bay, and Excalibur are closing theirs has nothing to do with establishing somewhat of a poker themed identity, got it.
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12-28-2020 , 09:25 AM
Sometimes I've felt bad for Ted that people keep bringing this thread up. But since Ted himself can't let it go, I guess it's fair game.
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12-28-2020 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Sometimes I've felt bad for Ted that people keep bringing this thread up. But since Ted himself can't let it go, I guess it's fair game.
Oh, believe me, I can let it go. But I thought people might be interested in the fact that Bally's might change the name they have had for 34 years to the Horseshoe and upgrade and increase the size of their poker room. Are you interested in that information, yes or no.
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12-28-2020 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Well Read Ted
Oh, believe me, I can let it go. But I thought people might be interested in the fact that Bally's might change the name they have had for 34 years to the Horseshoe and upgrade and increase the size of their poker room. Are you interested in that information, yes or no.
Yes, just not in this particular thread.
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12-28-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
Yes, just not in this particular thread.
This.

I mean, I don't really care that you posted it here, but it's a stretch to relate this story to your thread at this juncture IMO.
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12-28-2020 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Well Read Ted
Oh, believe me, I can let it go. But I thought people might be interested in the fact that Bally's might change the name they have had for 34 years to the Horseshoe and upgrade and increase the size of their poker room. Are you interested in that information, yes or no.
The likely name change from Bally has little if anything to do with poker, by any stretch.

The Bally name was sold, with this one hotel held out from the name/assets deal....

"Bally" will be an interesting gaming company going forward, but this hotel is no longer going to be a part, the deal closes 1st quarter 2021.
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12-29-2020 , 11:22 AM
Perhaps they will hire Jamie Gold to greet people at the door or something.

OP - do you have any thoughts on how this type of marketing could work for the renamed hotel - since it is clearly being done as per your manifest destiny poker hotel thing.

All the best.
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12-29-2020 , 06:03 PM
Like a slug, Monty leaves a trail of condescension wherever he posts. No mention of Lizard people but I’m sure he will slither back.
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12-31-2020 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Perhaps they will hire Jamie Gold to greet people at the door or something.

OP - do you have any thoughts on how this type of marketing could work for the renamed hotel - since it is clearly being done as per your manifest destiny poker hotel thing.

All the best.
As mentioned earlier, there are rumors about Bally's changing its name to The Horseshoe. The Horseshoe of the 70's and 80's had a strong reputation of being the place where the players play. In other words where the real gamblers played. They had the best odds and limits and really catered to gamblers. That's one of the things I miss about the Vegas of the 80's, "gambling" was the star and the main focus.

After the Mirage opened Vegas became more about architecture, shows, shopping, clubs, food etc. and gambling took a back seat and the odds got worse and worse, e.g. 6/5 blackjack, triple 00 roullette, higher rakes. Vegas was able to get away with this because of high demand and somewhat good economies.

But now things are different. The economy and demand are at all time lows. I think at least some of the hotels on the Strip are going to have to start catering to the real gamblers as the Horseshoe did. And hopefully Caesars is serious about bringing back that "Where the players play" spirit that the Horseshoe had.

As far as your question about marketing, well you'll have to read some of my many posts in this thread that deal with that. The old Horseshoe had a slogan:

"Good Food, Good Whiskey, and a Good Gamble"

That Good Gamble has been missing from the Strip for a long time. Hopefully Bally's/Horseshoe will bring it back.

Last edited by Well Read Ted; 12-31-2020 at 09:02 AM.
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12-31-2020 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Well Read Ted
But now things are different. The economy and demand are at all time lows. I think at least some of the hotels on the Strip are going to have to start catering to the real gamblers as the Horseshoe did. And hopefully Caesars is serious about bringing back that "Where the players play" spirit that the Horseshoe had.
Sounds like a stretch, even in the context of this thread. But we'll see
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12-31-2020 , 12:37 PM
Could have each door to the main entrance look like face down hole cards and then you open the doors to reveal POCKET ACES
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01-02-2021 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
The Binion family sold the Horseshoe brand to MTR Gaming in 2004, hence Binion's Horseshoe Casino changing names to just Binion's Gambling Hall & Hotel.
in 2014, MTR merged with Eldorado Resorts.
in July 2020, Eldorado Resorts acquired Caesars Entertainment.
Finally, there's a way for the Horseshoe brand to return at a Caesars resort.

Bugger all to do with a poker themed hotel though, Ted.
Not at all supporting the OP but it seems my Ceaser reward card has been working in a Horseshoe resort for years. At the same time it did not work at an Eldorado property near by.

Seems to me CET Horseshoe in Shreveport-Bossier found a way.
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01-02-2021 , 07:47 AM
There was once a time where people equated Horseshoe with player-friendly customer service. They knew they’d have a great experience while losing money. Horseshoe was on par with Disney as far as taking care of customers. Those days are long gone. Strip properties are all about partying. Being chic, nightclubs, etc. providing a fun, exciting gaming experience and providing juicy combos has gone the way of the dinosaur.
When I go to Vegas I only play poker, that’s it. Therefore I only visit a handful of properties because they have the games: Aria, Wynn, Bellagio, etc. I’m in the minority. I don’t care about posh rooms. I only sleep there. Most people want to party, play craps, and have a nice room for banging hookers.
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01-02-2021 , 12:50 PM
Wonder if there's a name change to Horseshoe if they might put something like this on all their tables. In other words really squeeze everything they can out of the brand name. Of course it would have to say "The Horseshoe" instead of Binions.

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01-02-2021 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Well Read Ted
Wonder if there's a name change to Horseshoe if they might put something like this on all their tables. In other words really squeeze everything they can out of the brand name. Of course it would have to say "The Horseshoe" instead of Binions.

Notice Todd Brunson's signature above Binions (I guess he's the John Hancock of poker).

Also notice Dave Devilfish Ulliott's signature at the bottom left where he writes "Life is a beast but it doesn't last, live it long and live it fast."

Also Barry Greenstein's and Huck Seed's signature can be seen. Does anyone know what year those signatures were made?
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01-02-2021 , 11:24 PM
No
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03-03-2021 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Fluffy68
No
not with that attitude it wont
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01-24-2023 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ejames209
Could have each door to the main entrance look like face down hole cards and then you open the doors to reveal POCKET ACES
Yesssss
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01-25-2023 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bitter13
OP came close to the point, but just missed. And those that think he was talking about a 100% poker casino are missing the point completely.

There is only one real scenario where this could be successful, and I've scratched my head for many years wondering why this hasn't happened.

View: Caesars Entertainment is not making the most of their WSOP Brand. A WSOP branded center-strip casino would go a long way to promoting their brand.

As others have touched on, the Rio is the defacto WSOP Hotel and casino for 2 months a year. As successful as that is though, it's less than ideal.
Of course, a poker themed hotel and casino would be just that: a THEMED full casino that offers all the action of any other casino (Slots, tables, etc)
The WSOP brand is much more lucrative than say, the Bally's or Rio brand.
Bally's is located at literally the intersection of the gaming universe and yet the hotel/casino is run-down and valued at a fraction of Caesars or Bellagio (or even Paris) at the same intersection

IMO, CET should re-brand Bally's as The WSOP Hotel and Casino.

They should preserve the existing casino and give it an aesthetic makeover. Build the largest sportsbook in vegas, and construct a new connected poker tournament / cash game facility in the current event space and expanded into the open lot area bordered by Flamingo and Koval. The RIO convention space is approx 200,000sf, and there is easily enough space in that open lot to build a world class tournament area.

Currently, the WSOP holds the main tournament (approx 2 months) and 3 circuit events (all to be moved here) in Vegas each year. Other events could be added (to compete when the WPT and DSE events are running) to make it a viable event space year round.
Downtime in the torunament area could be used in unique ways such as hosting private torunaments to all the big industries that pass through for conventions and smaller torunaments for bachelor parties and such. A DVD of your 20 man SNG where you get to see everyones hole cards afterwards would be great.
Having a permanent, well planned-out tournament space could make for a smoother WSOP series, while providing conveniences such as phone chargers at every table and a proper quantuty of well placed bathrooms.

Building smart complimentary amenities nearby that millennial poker players would appreciate such as healthy and quick food options, a decent sports and fitness facility, etc, would make this a premier destination.

As far as theme, the WSOP doesn't need to go over the top like Excalibur, but could just design a casino / hotel that is sleek and modern. Acquiring and housing the Poker Hall of Fame would be a must, and PERHAPS some restaurant licensing to big name proker pros could be a possibility (feel free to speculate on these) A killer nightclub to cap it off and voila.

There are many many poker players that would be attacted to the hotel based on the WSOP brand, AS WELL AS all the ESPN viewers from around the country that recognize and enjoy the brand, some that don't even play poker. Have you SEEN the number of spectators mulling around the RIO during the Main?

IMO, this would go a long way to growing the WSOP brand (which has value as an asset on its own) as well as bringing life back to a premier property on the Vegas strip.
This guy is either a prophet or somebody liked his idea and ran with it.
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01-25-2023 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyGo
This guy is either a prophet or somebody liked his idea and ran with it.
LOL, Caesar's stole Ted's idea and ran with it.

Ted, are you going to sue Caesar's for intellectual property theft?
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01-26-2023 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
LOL, Caesar's stole Ted's idea and ran with it.

Ted, are you going to sue Caesar's for intellectual property theft?
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01-26-2023 , 04:18 AM
They all laughed at Ted. Well nobody's laughing now.
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01-26-2023 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bitter13
OP came close to the point, but just missed. And those that think he was talking about a 100% poker casino are missing the point completely.

There is only one real scenario where this could be successful, and I've scratched my head for many years wondering why this hasn't happened.

View: Caesars Entertainment is not making the most of their WSOP Brand. A WSOP branded center-strip casino would go a long way to promoting their brand.

As others have touched on, the Rio is the defacto WSOP Hotel and casino for 2 months a year. As successful as that is though, it's less than ideal.
Of course, a poker themed hotel and casino would be just that: a THEMED full casino that offers all the action of any other casino (Slots, tables, etc)
The WSOP brand is much more lucrative than say, the Bally's or Rio brand.
Bally's is located at literally the intersection of the gaming universe and yet the hotel/casino is run-down and valued at a fraction of Caesars or Bellagio (or even Paris) at the same intersection

IMO, CET should re-brand Bally's as The WSOP Hotel and Casino.

They should preserve the existing casino and give it an aesthetic makeover. Build the largest sportsbook in vegas, and construct a new connected poker tournament / cash game facility in the current event space and expanded into the open lot area bordered by Flamingo and Koval. The RIO convention space is approx 200,000sf, and there is easily enough space in that open lot to build a world class tournament area.

Currently, the WSOP holds the main tournament (approx 2 months) and 3 circuit events (all to be moved here) in Vegas each year. Other events could be added (to compete when the WPT and DSE events are running) to make it a viable event space year round.
Downtime in the torunament area could be used in unique ways such as hosting private torunaments to all the big industries that pass through for conventions and smaller torunaments for bachelor parties and such. A DVD of your 20 man SNG where you get to see everyones hole cards afterwards would be great.
Having a permanent, well planned-out tournament space could make for a smoother WSOP series, while providing conveniences such as phone chargers at every table and a proper quantuty of well placed bathrooms.

Building smart complimentary amenities nearby that millennial poker players would appreciate such as healthy and quick food options, a decent sports and fitness facility, etc, would make this a premier destination.

As far as theme, the WSOP doesn't need to go over the top like Excalibur, but could just design a casino / hotel that is sleek and modern. Acquiring and housing the Poker Hall of Fame would be a must, and PERHAPS some restaurant licensing to big name proker pros could be a possibility (feel free to speculate on these) A killer nightclub to cap it off and voila.

There are many many poker players that would be attacted to the hotel based on the WSOP brand, AS WELL AS all the ESPN viewers from around the country that recognize and enjoy the brand, some that don't even play poker. Have you SEEN the number of spectators mulling around the RIO during the Main?

IMO, this would go a long way to growing the WSOP brand (which has value as an asset on its own) as well as bringing life back to a premier property on the Vegas strip.
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Originally Posted by EasyGo
This guy is either a prophet or somebody liked his idea and ran with it.
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Originally Posted by TheFly
LOL, Caesar's stole Ted's idea and ran with it.

Ted, are you going to sue Caesar's for intellectual property theft?
Actually it was Bitter13 who (almost 5 years ago) made the long post about rebranding Bally's. But on the other hand, if no Ted thread then no long post by Bitter13. So an argument could be made that Ted's thread might have changed poker and the WSOP forever.
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