He should charge people $20 to get his autograph as he sits at a table talking about them. Better chance that makes more money that way than any of his other ideas based on the brief posts of his that I have had the unfortunate displeasure to read.

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How much would you like to bet, and how much money in what time frame do you consider "serious money" for the purposes of this bet?

If you're willing to put up enough to make it worth their time if no one comes, I think we could set this up. You'd have to escrow, of course.

I went to a lot of baseball card shows as a kid, and it was always cringe-inducing to see some low-level retired player sitting at a table by himself, stack of unsigned photos at the ready, waiting for anybody to stop by as the crowds tried not to make eye contact.

Now, that wouldn't happen with Ivey/Doyle, but there's no chance that they're going to sit at a card table or whatever for a couple of hours getting fanboyed and making small talk, signing/posing for the "serious money" of $2K or $3K, or basically less then a craps bet or one hand of poker at their normal stakes (shockingly, WRT's grasp of money is again a bit off). Maybe as part of a larger promotional package, and maybe once or twice, back in 2005.

But aren't there players who you would pay $10 or $20, not for their signature and a photo, but for the chance to watch them sit at a table not signing photos, just sitting there alone and increasingly embarrassed? Some of the Full Tilt pros, Will Kassouf, maybe? You can tell them they could make some serious money, then when that doesn't happen, set up a little bleachers section for fans to watch it unfold.

This could be a lot of fun. I'll take Kassouf, Moneymaker, and Gold. How much to watch?

Aside from the fact that your idea is bat**** insane, what might or might not be an inducement for them at the RIO during WSOP has precisely ZERO relevance to your money-loser of a proposition that was the original premise of the thread. You still have to convince them to go somewhere that is going to have next to no people with the means to even pony up, much less the will to pony up for a photo they could get for free in the hallways of the RIO.

I dunno. Moneymaker always seemed like a decent enough guy. I’d personally take no pleasure in that, but we’re off to a decent start with the other two.

Moneymaker is a super cool guy, he'll gladly do any fanboy stuff for free, just that not many people around the tourny scene are sought after for fanboy stuff anymore, perhaps with the exception of Negreanu.

Jerry Yang on the other hand would probably pay people $20 to take photos with him lol. I remember the year after he won the Main Event, he was walking around the Amazon room going table to table shaking everyone's hand and wishing good luck, half the people were like "who are you and why are shaking my hand"...the other half were like "I know who you are, why are you shaking my hand" LOL.

Long time lurker, very rare poster. This thread is full of so much wins, I can't contain myself. Thank you 2+2 once again for a long thread of many lulz. Definitely helped pass the time during my work shift today.

By the way, OP... about your idea and a millionaire/billionaire wanting to do all this and the "poker celebs" wanting to show up for free to do meet and greets, and low rake and comps... LOLOLOLOL

This is either the biggest troll ever or you are completely delusional.

Either way, NH/WP and great thread. Too much laughter over here.

The only thing that bothers me about Moneymaker is that he's guy that brings an Ipad to tournaments and watches full length films while he plays.

I would not pay a poker player $20 for an autograph.

I would pay OP $20 to self-ban from 2+2 for 90 days.

On second thought $20 would not be enough for a photo with Doyle at a WSOP meet and greet at this stage of his life. Not sure what the exact price would be, $50 maybe.

He might consider doing it if some of the money went to charity. He has already admitted that it's tough for him to sit through the multiple day tournaments so I don't know how much he'll be playing this year, if at all.

He would not do it for 50 bucks a pop. Why would he? Also, pretty much nobody would pay $50 for his autograph. Perhaps you can put "Find something nobody needs and fill it" as your motto on your business card.

Also, take Lou's offer. $20 is way better than any idea of yours in terms of expected income.

All the best.

He might do it if some of the money went to charity.
I think they would for a photo, though. All he would have to do would be to sit in a chair and the fan could sit or stand next to him. It might take 30 seconds for a photo and a quick "Nice to meet you, Don/Donna".

I hereby offer a combo package of a pic and autograph for $3.50, pm for details.

He would likely do pretty much anything else for charity than this.

And after Don and Donna paid their $50 thinking they got a show ticket with it and leave angry, Doyle can sit there, looking silly, for the toe fungus charity wondering why nobody else will pay $50 for an autograph.

Seriously, never ever try to implement any idea of yours if you actually like money.

All the best.

So then you will probably look down at Sir Paul McCarthy for his meet and greets:

https://www.ifonly.com/music/product...-vip-reception

From the above link:

"Our luminaries always try to spend as much time as they can with their fans. However, in order to be sensitive to their pre-show obligations, their time may be limited to 15-90 seconds with each guest"
____

Meet and Greets are common today. Many of the biggest stars have them. Why not poker celebs.

No, I look down on people like you who compare a legendary singer with millions (and perhaps billions) of fans doing something like that on his farewell tour to a poker geezer sitting at a fold out table collecting bills with Andrew Jackson on it to sign his autograph. At his highest mark at the height of the poker celebrity boom, Doyle would have maybe been a low D level celebrity. McCartney is A level.

If President Obama sat and signed books (he likely will when he releases them) then people will line up for hours around the block for the chance to meet him and get an autograph. For Doyle, at $20 or $50 a pop, people would not even line up around the 4 foot table.


If you believe this then put your money where your mouth is. Doyle aint Paul McCartney, but the way these things typically work is you guarantee the person a fixed amount, plus a percentage of the autograph revenue, and then you get the rest, along with usually a chunk of extra autograph material to sign.

Toss Doyle an offer of $10,000 to do this for 6 hours over two days. In your fictional world he will be able to do 500-800 autographs in that time. Charge the massive lineups of people $50 a pop and give Doyle $10 each on top of the $10,000 appearance fee. Toss a buck each to the toe fungus charity to make it look better. Also, get a few hundred autographed pictures that you can sell all day long for $40 a pop on ebay.

Look at that - you just made yourself a good chunk of money, with the only downside being when you discover that nobody wants to pay 50 bucks a pop for this guy's autograph.

Obviously you will never follow up on any of your ideas, and in the end that is the only smart thing you tend to do when discussing your various business concepts.

All the best.

In 2018 we are discussing a hotel having special things to accommodate T.J. Cloutier????

As always, Well Read Ted has NOT bothered to read up on the feasibility of his so-called "ideas". He lacks basic background on almost every topic he raises re this "idea" itt.

Given TJ's tendency to gamble it up, giving him comps made sense back in the day... but, NOT going to happen:

"So these days you like Texas better than Las Vegas? You don’t think you could live here?

TJC: I have never wanted to live here.

BP: Why is that?

TJC: Everybody has holes in their game. Mine, I used to really be…I still play craps every once in awhile, but it’s very, very cheap. But if I lived out here, who knows, I might go off. And that’s not the point. If I was going to move, it would have been years ago when I could have seized all the opportunities that were offered me — a lot of things I could have been doing in Las Vegas and had a piece of. We decided to stay…our daughter lives in Kline, Texas, and we are happy there."

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...-my-craps-play

According to Ebay auctions, people spend money for Doyle Brunson autographs. Doyle's a poker legend, so this is a special situation. I don't think it's a guarantee, but if he did some kind of book signing or meet-and-greet/lecture it could be successful.

So I'll give the OP that one, but Doyle doesn't really scale very well, and I don't really understand what this has to do with the main question of a poker-themed hotel. Maybe there's two or three other poker players who would raise similar, limited interest, though I doubt it. And after Doyle does his signing, then what?

Ted,

Doyle is a poker legend and an affable guy, but please don't try and rope him into sitting at a table in an empty hotel, looking for customers for autographs....

Pete Rose frequently sits at a table in a sports memorabilia store in Mandalay Bay, but not very day, and he is a lot younger than Doyle.

However, Ted, why don't you prove your concept as follows:

1.Cut a deal with the Rio to pay them $X for a hallway booth at the 2018 WSOP.
2.Offer whichever poker celebrities you can get, for an upfront guarantee payment against a % of revenue, to sit there and sigh autographs/take pictures, etc....
3.Take the expected stellar results to your prospective investors and raise the money for your dream......

Be aware that monetizing a Legend can be tricky, I was once offered $300 or so for the domain name DoylesRoom.com, and that was from his son Todd.

Put aside the relative stature of McCartney and Doyle Brunson. (No, you really shouldn't, but let's pretend for a moment that they are of equal Q-score.)

McCartney's promotion comes with a bevy of goodies: premium tickets, memorabilia, reception, priority check-in, etc. This is an auction item for VIP treatment, so it's something very, very few people will get to enjoy. Hell, the "second row, center" tickets already reveals that this is an exclusive item.

EDIT: I also noticed that the McCartney auction item is for charity, specifically the Liverpool Institute of Performing Arts. So there's a philanthropic reason for bidding on this.

And oh yes, after all of that, you get to meet McCartney and get your photo taken with him.

Your promotion with Doyle would be the opportunity to take a photo with him. Not a poker lesson, not copies of his books, not an opportunity to play him heads-up, no tickets to sit in a special section at a WSOP event or anything like that. It's ONLY a meet-and-greet.

Furthermore, there would be little to no novelty to meeting Brunson – your idea is NOT from an action item, but rather something that is available to anyone with $20-50 in his/her pocket. You yourself anticipated a line of people getting in on this.

So even if you considered Sir Paul McCartney and Doyle Brunson of equal fame (which might be true to a sliver of the population), which of the two would be the more desired – and thus lucrative –promotion?

This is why I think we're all getting massively leveled.

I don't know how old the photo is but I saw the 4 pool tables in there about 2 years ago. So it appears their management thought pool tables could do better than the blackjack and craps tables they took out.

Where did you read it was his farwell tour?