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Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread) Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)
View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending.
177 32.48%
Definitely wont attend.
112 20.55%
Probably wont attend.
93 17.06%
Probably will attend.
71 13.03%
Definitely will attend.
92 16.88%

03-12-2020 , 11:10 PM
Ban^

Can see why you had to create a new account yesterday with this nonsense.
03-12-2020 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Korona Killer
Too plain and overly simplistic. Can you amp up on the technical and the complexity please. But only by a little. Not as complex and technical as the first time. Thanks.
I think the video posted above is a good explanation. Basically the respiratory issue that people are dying of is called Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS). A syndrome is a collection of symptoms and isn’t necessarily linked to a route cause as there can be multiple. It’s basically a catch all term that defines three criteria (I) bilateral pulmonary infiltration (goo in your lungs) (ii) reduced pulmonary compliance (lungs don’t expand as much and (iii) hypoxemia (low oxygenation in the blood.

Now ARDS is usually an Exudate. Exudate means the goo in your lungs is inflammatory because it recruits immune cells (neutrophils and cytokines). And as a result the inflammation leads to scarring in your lungs and they don’t work as good and you also get atelectasis (lung collapse - but not like the entire organ like you might hear people say, that’s a pneumothorax, it’s like little bits of the sponge in your lung shrink. Apparently (and I’ve no credible sources/papers on this) what coronavirus is doing compared to someone who gets ARDS from let’s say a bacterial pneumonia is that it seems to go and directly attack the cell that produces surfactant. Surfactant is a little bit of coating around the aero bubbles in your lungs that keep them open instead of squishing into each other. So the usual treatment methods of ARDS, have to be modified to account for this so the treatment of acute episodes is not optimised.

Secondly is the cardiovascular system. It affects the ACE 2 receptor. This stands for angiotensin converting enzyme and converts a little molecule in your body called angiotensin I to angiotensin II. This angiotensin II is the active version and has a lot of downward effects in your body from constricting your blood vessels (and thus maintaining your blood pressure. To signalling the kidneys to produce a hormone called aldosterone which is an important control in your bodies intravascular fluid levels also used or maintain your blood pressure. So people who are on medication for their blood pressure either angiotensin receptor blockers (also known as -artans) and those on ACE inhibitors (drugs ending in -pril e.g ramipril) are going to be all out of whack. Additionally the virus seems to be apparently affecting the actual cardiac tissue itself also causing a cardiomyopathy in its most acute form of the disease. All these factors are what makes it fundamentally a different disease than the flu, even though the symptoms may appear similar.

Last edited by Halo_P1; 03-12-2020 at 11:40 PM.
03-12-2020 , 11:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halo_P1
I think the video posted above is a good explanation. Basically the respiratory issue that people are dying of is called Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS). A syndrome is a collection of symptoms and isn’t necessarily linked to a route cause as there can be multiple. It’s basically a catch all term that defines three criteria (I) bilateral pulmonary infiltration (goo in your lungs) (ii) reduced pulmonary compliance (lungs don’t expand as much and (iii) hypoxemia (low oxygenation in the blood.

Now ARDS is usually an Exudate. Exudate means the goo in your lungs is inflammatory because it recruits immune cells (neutrophils and cytokines). And as a result the inflammation leads to scarring in your lungs and they don’t work as good and you also get atelectasis (lung collapse - but not like the entire organ like you might hear people say, that’s a pneumothorax, it’s like little bits of the sponge in your lung shrink. Apparently (and I’ve no credible sources/papers on this) what coronavirus is doing compared to someone who gets ARDS from pneumonia is that it seems to go and directly attack the cell that produces surfactant. Surfactant is a little bit of coating around the aero bubbles in your lungs that keep them open instead of squishing into each other. So the usual treatment methods of ARDS, have to be modified to account for this so the treatment of acute episodes is not optimised.

Secondly is the cardiovascular system. It affects the ACE 2 receptor. This stands for angiotensin converting enzyme and converts a little molecule in your body called angiotensin I to angiotensin II. This angiotensin II is the active version and has a lot of downward effects in your body from constricting your blood vessels (and thus maintaining your blood pressure. To signalling the kidneys to produce a hormone called aldosterone which is an important control in your bodies intravascular fluid levels also used or maintain your blood pressure. So people who are on medication for their blood pressure either angiotensin receptor blockers (also known as -artans) and those on ACE inhibitors (drugs ending in -pril e.g ramipril) are going to be all out of whack. Additionally the virus seems to be apparently affecting the actual cardiac tissue itself also causing a cardiomyopathy in its most acute form of the disease. All these factors are what makes it fundamentally a different disease than the flu, even though the symptoms may appear similar.
Thanks. I'll watch the video. The WHO doctor on CNN keeps repeating that its pneumonia. But I'll watch the video.

Would suck for asthmatics of all ages, right? Not just senior citizens?
03-12-2020 , 11:39 PM
Well pneumonia in it’s purest term means infection of the lung so he’s not wrong. I should edit my post to say pneumonia from influenza or bacterial.

Also in regards to anything about the clinical course of the disease, I’ve gone way beyond my internet dude paygrade to comment on that. Idk but as I said above if you don’t care about your own health, avoid the casino for grandmas sake. I got swabbed today and I’m stuck in my room for the next two weeks and I feel like I’m doing the right thing for society.

Last edited by Halo_P1; 03-12-2020 at 11:48 PM.
03-12-2020 , 11:39 PM
03-12-2020 , 11:43 PM
Reports that the PA governor has ordered Valley Forge casino to be closed, and I assume from how the report describes it, the order would apply to all other casinos in PA.

https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/boy...nor-directive/
03-12-2020 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Bad news for the pro-cancel the WSOP 2020 crowd. The fact that the show must go on with modifications and lowered expectations means WSOP won't back down but would rather do whatever it takes to get the thing done.

Removing guarantees and lowering buy ins and lowering expectations part of the weapons.

That means adding guarantees and increasing buy ins could be weapons too.

Plus, they have the online ace in the hole which can be combined with the above live possibilities.

Last edited by Korona Killer; 03-12-2020 at 11:53 PM.
03-12-2020 , 11:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halo_P1
Well pneumonia in it’s purest term means infection of the lung so he’s not wrong. I should edit my post to say pneumonia from influenza or bacterial.

Also in regards to anything about the clinical course of the disease, I’ve gone way beyond my internet dude paygrade to comment on that. Idk but as I said above if you don’t care about your own health, avoid the casino for grandmas sake. I got swabbed today and I’m stuck in my room for the next two weeks and I feel like I’m doing the right thing for society.
I have loved ones that have asthma. Can you please address the asthma part?
03-12-2020 , 11:49 PM
Yea until someone is ill in a tourney and gets tested and comes up positive and they shut down the tournament midway and quarantine 100 people that came in close contact.
03-12-2020 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Korona Killer
I have loved ones that have asthma. Can you please address the asthma part?
Mate idk, I’m not gonna talk about stuff I don’t know about, it’s bad to spread misinformation. Just do what you can to prevent spreading it, that’s the best thing everyone can do for the elderly imo.
03-12-2020 , 11:52 PM
They just shut down The players championship in golf after 1 round and nobody tested positive.
Also heard(not confirmed) that the entire floor where that woman at Mirage stayed is closed.
03-12-2020 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Halo_P1
Mate idk, I’m not gonna talk about stuff I don’t know about, it’s bad to spread misinformation. Just do what you can to prevent spreading it, that’s the best thing everyone can do for the elderly imo.
Thanks for the very helpful info.
03-12-2020 , 11:59 PM
Look at all the degens, they DGAF about Coronavirus.

03-13-2020 , 12:03 AM
In my view it's almost an absolute certainty that it will be cancelled. The people who think that this virus is not a huge global problem are the people who are not doing their own independent research (from a variety of sources). Within a month most of the western world will be on near total lock down according to almost every expert who has no government affiliation. In the very unlikely event that the government does not intervene and force the cancellation of large public gatherings, then shame on the WSOP if they choose to run it.
03-13-2020 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Yea until someone is ill in a tourney and gets tested and comes up positive and they shut down the tournament midway and quarantine 100 people that came in close contact.
Getting quarantined inside a "haunted" Bally's hotel room for 2 weeks would be hell on earth. Worth not doing just for that reason. Not to mention getting the virus straight out for real.

This assumes the quarantine is not done in a ballroom sleeping in a cot with others. This would be even worse.
03-13-2020 , 12:09 AM
If they quarantine you to your hotel room for 2 weeks, maybe the room is free but they still would charge you resort fees.
03-13-2020 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
This is an incredibly dumb decision at this point. Pretty good chance they'll be forced to cancel anyway since the situation likely gets worse.
03-13-2020 , 12:24 AM
Some scary predictions in this post. A small part here:

"This mortality chart and this line in particular is scary. This is not going to slow down. This exponential growth is our future for at least the next 4-6 weeks, and possibly longer. On March 1st, there was one death in the U.S. On March 7th, there were 19. On March 13th, there are already 41. This is exponential growth. This doubling is happening faster than the report I made on Sunday that predicted it to double every six days. Even at that rate, which is now very conservative, on March 18th we will have 80 deaths. 160 on March 24th. 320 on March 30th. 640 on April 5th. 1280 on April 11th. 2500+ on April 17th. 5000 on April 23rd. 10,000 on April 29th. This is when it gets really scary. This is when the conspiracy theorists will finally stop saying “it’s just the flu, guys.” Because…

By late-middle May we will hit 100,000 deaths."

https://authorrickfuller.com/2020/03...w-predictions/
03-13-2020 , 01:35 AM
03-13-2020 , 01:47 AM
Our best hope is if those death projsections were made by the same people who thought we'd hit $100k Bitcoin by now.
03-13-2020 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
Our best hope is if those death projsections were made by the same people who thought we'd hit $100k Bitcoin by now.
Our best hope is the muppets in the current US administration start mass testing and quell uncertainty, which is the main driver of the market crash and the mass cancellations.
03-13-2020 , 02:12 AM
So I did just see on the news that the ban is at 250 for public gatherings/events. So that is why V and Wynn cancelled the tournaments I am guessing. I don't understand how Bally's thinks they can go on, unless somehow they cap each tournament at 250?

I don't know the rules of limited public gatherings. If there are 2 different tournaments in the same room that had separate start times, are those separate gatherings? Do the cash game players add in at all?
03-13-2020 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by huadpe
Reports that the PA governor has ordered Valley Forge casino to be closed, and I assume from how the report describes it, the order would apply to all other casinos in PA.

https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/boy...nor-directive/
No Valley Forge is closed because PA has declared a lockdown SOE in Montgomery County. All the other casinos in PA are open for business and are a bit slower than usual. When Wolf declares all of PA in SOE then yes the casinos will be closed, but this means the busier casinos like Parx and Rivers will lose millions per day.
03-13-2020 , 02:34 AM
International Security Conference - ISC West 2020
Sands Expo & Convention Center
3/17/2020
3/20/2020
29,000

ASD Market Week Winter 2020
Las Vegas Convention Center
3/22/2020
3/25/2020
46,000

15th Annual World Game Protection Conference (WGPC)
Tropicana Las Vegas
3/23/2020
3/26/2020
700

These are the next 3 conventions scheduled and they are all cancelled(on their website) the last with only 700. So I guess the new rule of 250 is why. The 1st one statement just came today, after announcement of new rule.
https://www.iscwest.com/RNA/RNA_ISCW...tions-3-12.pdf

So if things continue to peak which is likely then that will take out EDC and WSOP automatically.
03-13-2020 , 04:25 AM
Just go read about northern Italy and what happens when healthcare system gets overwhelmed and you'd agree with cancellation of gatherings

A big issue is that healthcare personell gets it and they have respirator shortages and are literally just letting people die now without treatment

They are using war time guidelines on who lives and who doesn't now

      
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