People recovering from Covid-19 may be not long term immunized.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....09.20148429v1

Yeah it just reminded me that it’s not worth it, right now. Not fun or safe. I’m amazed at how many people find it enjoyable or just dont care.

Well, I have a couple theories on why people don't care, but I'll save that for a philosophic discussion some other time. What I do remember is the last time I played live poker, March 10 at the Horseshoe in Hammond, Ind. Every time someone coughed, even if on the other side of the room, all went still. It gave a strange feel to the air, as if everyone knew things weren't going to be the same anytime soon. A few week later the casino closed. It has since reopened, but no poker. And there won't be anytime soon.

I'm curious, let's hear it

This is why I’m not going to run out and get the first vaccine that comes to market. If there immunity is short lived we may get a false sense of confidence.

You asked, I will share. Remember this is strictly my opinion only. I believe that deep down everyone realizes that there is no future for us, so they don't care. They may not articulate it as well as we'd like, but they believe it nonetheless. It shows in their actions. My opinion only, friends. Take it as you will.

You think everyone realizes this is the end of civilization?

Nah.

Interesting. I'd guess people don't care because they're lazy > hopelessness of civilization

Las Vegas, Nevada (by: Jacob Orth - Jul 14, 2020)

Lots of interesting stuff in this thread since I've last been here, but this jumped off the screen:

Sorry, had to laugh – and I hope you did, too, eventually.

Whoever made that substitution clearly doesn't know that there really isn't such thing as "red licorice," it's just called that colloquially because the candy otherwise has the same shape and form as typical licorice candy. Thinking a Red Vine or Red Rope can be swapped for licorice would be like giving you ketchup when you asked for mustard under the rationale that they're both condiments that come in plastic squeeze bottles.

By the way, speaking of the date March 10, here's a bit of movie trivia: in the strangely prescient movie Contagion, there is a lottery for people to get access to the vaccine. Those born on March 10 got first dibs. As someone who shares the same birthday as Jon Hamm and Osama bin Laden, I would be fine with that decision.

What ? He opens from the South end of the strip, which he thinks is the part by by the airport ....then turns to watch the nice sunset over the mountains in "Henderson"?

Henderson is EAST of the Strip, I would not ask this yo-yo for any directions in Las Vegas. (Hint, the sun sets in the West.)

Seriously, this video is a complete waste of time, he has literally nothing substantive to say, at all about poker, Las Vegas, Covid, ...or anything.

All he does is keep saying, "we", "we", "we" did this or did that or "we" might do this or that, as if he has some say in the matter and "he" IS Las Vegas or Nevada, depending on the context.

A lot of people do not trust the administration to necessarily place safety ahead of financial or political issues in the drive to put a vaccine into the market. Few Trump haters will take the first vaccine, and many Trump lovers are conspiracy types who will avoid it on principle. That leaves no one.

It's like getting a ban around here. Just change your name and maybe your ip and good to go!

There was a conversation about that the other day at our kids school and it looks like the the majority of parents would support a requirement for vaccination from a pretty early point on. For reference, I think after thanksgiving break is the latest when kids have to show records of their yearly flu shot at that school.

I’ve also already agreed with my business partners that we’re going to require our employees to get vaccinated. We haven’t talked about things like “first vaccine” though, no idea how we’ll determine if it’s save enough or not. But I guess as soon as it’s save enough for me and my family, it’s save enough for the people I work with.

I wonder if that’s something you let your customers know about with a sign at the door or something like that?

vaccine wont mean **** if people are truthfully getting reinfected a couple months after the first infection

That observation doesn't make much sense. Moderna claimed it was planning to produce one billion doses of its vaccine by the end of 2021 and that its vaccine created antibodies in 45/45 of its phase one test subjects. Even partial effectiveness (say, your chance of getting infected is cut by 50 per cent if you're vaccinated) and that protection only lasts a few months, that STILL cuts infection rates dramatically.

There are currently 25 vaccine candidates in human trials and 153 in various stages of development. I for one am optimistic that vaccines will beat this thing within the next year.

So why do we have a flu vaccine?

Would it be super convenient to get a shot every couple months? No, probably not. Would it be worth it if that meant life as we knew it would return? Absolutely.

i mean yea in a perfect world a vaccinne would work but having to get vaccinnated 3 times a year most people would get one or two then quit cuz its inconvenient or they sinply dont feel like getting it done. then you have all the anti vax ppl this is just going to be a complete mess if antibodies are gone in 4 months and your able to get reinfected

In a perfect world, CoVid -19 would not exist, but punctuation would.

This already is "a complete mess".

Just wait for a vaccine to be available, then get it or don't. Don't worry about what anti-vaccine folks might say or whether other people might not get one.

You can always keep wearing your mask and social distancing.

Those reports aren't about people who have received vaccines.

a vaccine would be amazing but its kinda wishful thinking. we know a ton about the flu but still dont have a close to perfect vaccine for it. covid-19 is so unknown ill be shocked if we have one in less than a year but i hope we do. we only experienced covid in america during the tail end of winter when it seemed like it was stronger and causing more deaths/severe cases. this is so unknown it could have easily lost some of its potency due to summer months and staying as contagious while coming back stronger over the winter when that could be its true "flu" season

Exactly. I read somewhere that either the pfizer or the moderna vaccine created neutralizing antibodies greater than what are created by catching the virus.

Someone else confirm that please as im too tired right now.

I think the lack of knowledge is more about how the virus is spread, how it affects us, etc. I'm no medical expert, but I've never had the impression that there's a concern that we don't know enough to be able to create a vaccine. As for the flu, the problem is that it mutates rapidly; the last I heard, Covid was still believed to mutate at a much lower rate. All that said, there is no guarantee of a perfect, or even near-perfect, vaccine.

We certainly shouldn't assume there will be a vaccine in 6 months that is 100% effective and that we'll all be dosed up with it a week later. It won't be perfect, it may or may not be that soon (likely not IMO), and producing hundreds of millions, or even billions, of doses may take some time.

haha ill be positive and say when there is a vaccine ill still prob wait 5-6 months before i get it anyway. i would want to wait a cpl months to make sure there arent any concerns or problems that arise first with said vaccine

Just saw on the news that its the moderna vaccine that produced "as many or more" neutralizing antibodies than catching covid itself does.

The moderna vaccine had 45/45 people develop neutralizing antibodies and the pfizer vaccine had 24/24.

Moderna vaccine stage three trial starts in less than 2 weeks. They said so far they havent seen any safety concerns.

Ive been hoping like crazy for months that theyll get a vaccine and end this freakin virus, so i guess ill take it as soon as possible. Maybe. Hope i dont go blind.