Why not go look at pictures of car crash victims before considering driving to a casino? Way more people under 45 in the US have died of car crashes over the last 3 months than died of covid.

That’s not to say it’s necessarily safe to play. But deliberately searching out anecdotal evidence seems like the wrong way to weigh this decision.

Actually, the age group most susceptible to dying by car crash is the under 21. Not even old enough to play in the vast majority of casinos. With about 3000 deaths from COVID-19 in the US under age 45, the numbers for the 21-44 age group are a lot closer than you seem to think, and certainly not way different.

And this doesn't consider those who get sicker from COVID-19 than they've ever been from any acute illness in their lives, or those who recover but suffer longer term morbidities.

Fair points, though with respect to the last one, it also doesn’t consider people injured or paralyzed in car accidents.

But you ar probably right that covid deaths versus car accident deaths specifically 21-44 are of similar magnitude. There have been 2000-3000 covid deaths in this age range, compared with about 100 total deaths under 21. There are about 10k auto deaths in the US in an average 3 months, though I don’t know the age breakdown.

I apologize if this has already been asked before, I know some casinos are starting to reopen and the poker is only 5-handed, which means donkeys like me go broke faster, but any info on when the shows may be resuming, like Penn and Teller, Sigfried and Roy, Celine Dion, etc? Stand up acts? Thanks in advance.

Roy died from coronavirus.

Long odds against Siegfried and Roy appearing terrestrially.

Hadn’t Siegfried & Roy been closed since 2003 anyway?

Since 10/03/2003, Roy's birthday and National Day in his home country.

Him dying due to complications from Covid-19 fits this thread in a sad way

Regarding shows, I read that both O and Ka are supposed to resume on the first of July but I would encourage you to google the shows you're interested in. They all should have released some kind of announcement by now.

I don't think any of that is going to be an issue. Thats months away. See the quote I copied below.

I've heard the same thing from people who live in Vegas. Low percentage of people wearing masks and not much social distancing. And this is INDOORS!

I think the newspaper headline estimated it ~30% of people wearing masks. But those I know who live there say it seems like less. I think there is only one casino making mask mandatory and it wasn't a big name casino.

So we are going to know way way before any WSOP planned how it will play out.

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Thank you sir. You’re a kind man. May the Lord bless you many times over.

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My definition of small is relative to the number of people who will be on the subways, in the streets, and all over as society reopens. One rush hour will be enough to overwhelm the numbers of protestors especially given the pressed together, inside conditions people face in public transpo. The covid spread for the protests is scariest for me in how it will affect police. General popluation won't see much of an impact numbers-wise.

Many people who are scared of covid still desire to play poker, my comment was simply an attempt to provide a tool to such people who wish not to get sick to avoid the siren song of you sitting with money in front of you at a poker table.

I think it will take some time before public transportation is going to be as packed as some of the protests are.

I’m certainly not going to ride in a subway that’s crowded like this: https://kcrwberlin.com/wp-content/up...6/IMG_7757.jpg

We will know how Nevada is affected and Las Vegas in particular.

So it could be a safe environment to come stay in as far as locals are concerned.

But it is unlikely we will know much about people coming to Vegas and what is being done to make sure they don't bring Covid to Vegas. The last time I heard the mayor of Las Vegas I heard somebody who didn't understand what a pandemic was and who had no intention of doing any testing or tracing. It is possible that the Governor would set out guidleines for tracing within Las Vegas but as of now they are at 11% contact tracing in Nevada.

So what is unknown to me is the risk of contracting covid from other visitors to Vegas and then the risk of the virus spreading once everyone gets back home.

Unless testing and contact tracing is in full effect in Vegas.

As of now we have 100% contact tracing in NY state. So if I go play in the fall and come back with the virus at least everyone in NY that I came in contact with would be notified. That probably wouldn't help my wife and kids unless I can get tested after getting off the airplane (assuming I fly) and that I am not pre-symptomatic. I would still self-isolate for 14 days anyway but living in the same home is problematic.

Huh? plz explain how this works.

We have about 9,600 people hired to track Covid infections in NY. Theoretically we only need about 4,100 to successfully track all contacts to each person that tests positive within 48 hrs of the test result at the current rate of cases.

So if somebody tests positive a tracker calls them and asks who they have been in contact with the prior two days. And then they call those people and request that they get tested because of the contact. And they will also recommend self isolation for 14 days just in case the pre-symptomatic period lasts longer than a couple of days.

While it is not 100% effective in stopping the spread it will greatly reduce the current R0 in NY which is at 0.81 infections per person who gets Covid. So even without contact tracing NY Covid cases would be going down.

But given that NY is opening up this is a good way of reducing the risk of spread of the virus.

The one thing it can't really account for is an influx of people with Covid. But even then the spread should be contained fairly early on.

For me and my family I would greatly prefer if Las Vegas also had contact tracing in place. That way I would be notified about a possible contact before I left Las Vegas.

I no idea that level of tracing was avail anywhere.

Here is a resource page for CDC Contact Tracing as it relates to coronavirus.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...resources.html

I'm unsure how or if each state enforces all of the guidelines. Those who are geo-located in their respective areas (like Mr. Rick-NY) would know more about what people are saying and doing in their localities.

You seriously made my day.

I would love to know the answer to this question as well.

I would also, but .... not a chance re tourists here for 3 days or so. For starters, assuming someone here or who has gone back home gets sick ....tourists here are meeting up with total strangers, that is part of why they are here .... they would have no idea who they were even in contact with ....

The ability to contact trace random passersby or players in a casino is very different than in a more static area. Facial recognition software is impressive, I no longer need to actually show my passport to enter the US, my face is enough ..... but I do not think it is up to the task in this context, whatever its database.

(On the positive side, casinos both have surveillance and a card/loyalty system which encourages players to self-identify when gambling. )

Note that R0 (the basic reproductive rate of a virus) is essentially a 'fixed' average at the start of an epidemic (and might be 2.5 or 3 for SARS-CoV-2 in developed nations if no social distancing or protection occurs), but the R_t number constantly changes according to local population density, human behaviour, and post-viral immunity, and can only be estimated. In NY it's definitely on the lower side now, with new cases clearly on the decline (albeit from a spectacularly high rate six weeks ago). I like this set of R_t visualizations from the creators of Instagram (so they know a little bit about exponential growth!). They estimate the current R_t number for NY state is 0.8.
Meanwhile, they think cases in Arizona are increasing most rapidly, with an estimated R_t of 1.18. Confirmed cases there have been shooting up (I read that bars are open and busy in Scottsdale and Phoenix). Arizona is heading towards an average of 30 Covid fatalities per day fairly soon.

The situation in Nevada apparently isn't quite as dire, with an estimated R_t close to one, but cases are gradually increasing, albeit to a level about a fifth of Arizona's. Daily fatalities in NV remain at a low level, of only about four a day, which sounds to my uneducated mind as a number that the local healthcare system could "tolerate" for a while.


Alternative estimates for R_t numbers can be found at C19Pro, along with this map, which suggests the highest R_t numbers (darker red) are in Utah, Arkansas, the Carolinas, Arizona, California, Alabama, and Florida.


I'm not sure if I said this earlier in the thread, but even if cases explode in California and Texas, nowhere is gonna be as bad as it was in NY or NJ. In terms of susceptibility to viral spread, NYC is just on a different scale to other cities, due to the population density and high use of public transport. It's a lot easier for vulnerable people to "hide" from the virus in the desert.

Arty,

A single tourist here comes in contact with how many other tourists or casino workers, inside a given casino ?

As for locals, if they work in the casino industry, it may not be possible to "hide" from tourists. After their shifts, they then head home to their residential living situation, kids, spouses, grandparents et al.

I just do not see likely mask-wearing or social distancing, given that Cosmo video that was posted earlier.

I hope my concerns are proven wrong over time, but Nevada and gaming provide a special environment seemingly suited to a maximizing the effect of an unwitting super-spreader tourist or 5 or 6.

Funny thing is, by this point in time, tons of punters at WSOP would've blown thru their Summer roll already and had to head on home, already dreaming of WSOP 2021.

So, let's all begin dreaming about WSOP 2021!! Anyone hear any teasers yet? Like will 2021 WSOP be at Rio or the new Strip Convention Center?

I wanna start a discussion about this. Ive never been to the wsop and am planning to go to my first in 2021, but since its my first one, i want the full experience, not a socially distanced 6 max version.
So maybe people could share thoughts on what they think it will be like, will there be a vaccine before then, if theres not a vaccine yet, what will it bet like, etc.
I know know one can really have any idea, but ive been locked down hard for past 3 months for covid, and it will give me something to freakin do to talk about it lol.