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View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending. 177 32.48%
Definitely wont attend. 112 20.55%
Probably wont attend. 93 17.06%
Probably will attend. 71 13.03%
Definitely will attend. 92 16.88%
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Old 05-30-2020, 01:08 PM   #5326
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Re: Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)

4 player sit and gos actually are a smart idea for the casino
And i can see players liking them because they can 4x their money, the game doesn't just break if someone wants to go to the bathroom etc. Of course they will be turbos and rake traps and that's fine. Almost everyone who walks into a casino is down lifetime at gambling. If they have fun playing these things good for them, and if you're trying to make a living playing 100 dollar sit and goes lol@you.

As for picking up and leaving if a "really strong player is at the table" etc.
There won't be many really strong players in these things and they won't take very long. People won't be playing correctly in these anymore than they do in rio sit and gos.
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Old 05-30-2020, 02:32 PM   #5327
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You must like chasing a lot of bad draws.
I try to avoid drawing dead against a virus.
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Old 05-30-2020, 02:38 PM   #5328
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Not true, have you seen the 2019 WSOP SNG structure sheets? Higher buyins had less rake.
I was under the impression that all WSOP SNG had something like a $15 rake regardless of buyin. But I’m not sure about the absolute highest buy-in ones. So the percentage rake is lower on higher buy-ins, but the absolute amount is the same (which is why I said absolute rake).
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Old 05-30-2020, 02:39 PM   #5329
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These are not designed for pros. Rooms know that pros/regs will play 2 handed 8 handed 16 handed.... anything to make a living as long as some recs are there. Yes they will be absolute rake traps. dealing a 4 hand SNG is a total money loser for the house thus the structure will be turbo forsure, maybe hyper turbo, but thats not the point.

Given 80% if the market is 1/2NLH where buyin is 100-$200. These SNGs are pricing in 80% of the market. pricing is perfect.


the goal here is to get recs to come out to the room and play. specifically play something 4 handed. I think there is a group of recs that will play 4 handed SNGs but not 4 handed cash. After playing one of those maybe they will be more likely to try 4 handed cash.

at this stage regs should be applauding and supporting ANY room that is opening and ANYTHING the room is doing to attract recs.
Right, I was responding to the person who said the 4-handed $100 SNGs would become infested with pros.

I’ve always found it curious that a lot of recreational players have no hesitation about buying into a $1-2 NL game for $300, but would consider a $300 tournament too high stakes.
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Old 05-30-2020, 04:28 PM   #5330
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Right, I was responding to the person who said the 4-handed $100 SNGs would become infested with pros.

Iíve always found it curious that a lot of recreational players have no hesitation about buying into a $1-2 NL game for $300, but would consider a $300 tournament too high stakes.
We have a chance in a cash game, and can leave if and when we want.
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Old 05-30-2020, 04:50 PM   #5331
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Old 05-30-2020, 05:17 PM   #5332
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The CDC has recently dropped the infection fatality rate to .26%. H1N1 had a .2% fatality rate. Of course if you're young and healthy the fatality rate goes as low as .05%. In other words, you should be ok buttercup.
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Old 05-30-2020, 05:27 PM   #5333
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Just don't leave your house for a year and should survive.
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Old 05-30-2020, 06:10 PM   #5334
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The CDC has recently dropped the infection fatality rate to .26%. H1N1 had a .2% fatality rate. Of course if you're young and healthy the fatality rate goes as low as .05%. In other words, you should be ok buttercup.
Agreed. This is beyond blown over and is just a political dagger trying to bring down the current administration.

People should have zero fear if youíre a normal healthy individual.
They could make the flu like this if they gave as much coverage.
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Old 05-30-2020, 06:34 PM   #5335
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lol flubros
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Old 05-30-2020, 06:39 PM   #5336
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The CDC has recently dropped the infection fatality rate to .26%.
I’ve read the report you are referring to, and it is not a hard estimate of IFR, it is merely one possible value for a parameter that the CDC uses as part of their simulations.

But it is simply not possible for the IFR to be this low based on the actual number of deaths combined with serology studies in high prevalence areas. The lowest realistic IFR for a random sample of the general population is around 0.6%.

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Of course if you're young and healthy the fatality rate goes as low as .05%.
This number, on the other hand, is quite plausible.
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Old 05-30-2020, 06:41 PM   #5337
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flubros, what % of people who do not die come up with lasting lung damage and the like?

oh yeah, we have zero idea
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Old 05-30-2020, 08:52 PM   #5338
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And that's exactly what is going to happen. You know when you have this push from the top of the govt(Trump) to reopen everything very quickly these big spikes in cases were inevitable. It's only going to be a matter of time before every casino reopening in Las Vegas will be named by groups of people of where they caught the covid19.
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Old 05-30-2020, 09:00 PM   #5339
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South Korea just closed its schools days after reopening because of a big spike in covid19 cases. Look you get what you wish for to all the covid deniers. A few more months of caution before reopening wouldn't have been the end of the world and could have and would have prevented these big spikes in cases. Now they will be happening all over. Not good.
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Old 05-31-2020, 10:47 PM   #5340
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Some Vegas casinos are petitioning to have 5 max tables...but waiting approval.
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Old 05-31-2020, 10:52 PM   #5341
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Why wouldn't they try for 6 max? Where are you hearing that?
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Old 06-01-2020, 07:24 AM   #5342
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A few more months of caution before reopening wouldn't have been the end of the world and could have and would have prevented these big spikes in cases.
We're seeing what happens when idle people get ansty. And now it seems these riots may have political instigators behind it (what was breaking glass at the AutoZone where the fires started in Minneapolis in the umbrella, a cop? anarchist (kinda calm for the anarcists, who have no sense of irony)? insurance fraud? anti Trump zealot? If people have gotten smart and figured out they can 'achieve their political goals through instigating riots, American society could be in serious trouble if we let everyone remain idled.

We've had plenty of similar police homicides (see Tony Timpa) and we didn't have a week of riots all over the country. Having all these people while away the hours dreaming up things to make them angry is a social cancer. We need to be active to be socially healthy. That's the argument for getting people back to work sooner rather than later.

Enough people have maintained social distancing that the only people who get sick this time will be the conspiracy-trusting freedom lovers who forgo masks as a political statement. Sad! And so unfair!

I think it's likely that we all will get this eventually in the coming year or two. I hope a vaccine will come sooner rather than later. Though that would be a cruel joke on those who did the daring thing and went commando.

Covid is simply too contagious. So long as it spreads at a slow enough rate, we will be fine if people have jobs to go to. There is inherent tension here, but I agree that Republicans should go back to work first. They seem to be insisting on it anyway and have broken out their guns to make sure we hear them.

Democrats are scardy cats who want to stay home, where they think they'll be safe. I say, let them stay home and let those who want to, go to work. Send freshly printed money to the people who won't work right away so they can leave the paying jobs to the Republicans, who no longer seem to care about the national debt so everyone has what they want with no downside.

Unless the spike in cases is bigger than Trump says it will be, but what are the odds of that?
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Old 06-01-2020, 11:10 AM   #5343
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Why wouldn't they try for 6 max? Where are you hearing that?
I really hope it's at least 6 handed by the time wsop comes back
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Old 06-01-2020, 01:11 PM   #5344
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Agreed. This is beyond blown over and is just a political dagger trying to bring down the current administration.

People should have zero fear if you’re a normal healthy individual.

They could make the flu like this if they gave as much coverage.
Thanks for clearing that up. Define your idea of "normal" ?

Should "normal" people have concerns about spreading a virus to people you might consider "not normal", like older people, people who have some pre-existing medical issue, like say diabetes or an immune deficiency ?

Yeah, I am sure you are correct: this story is ALL about Donald Trump, not about 100,000+ dead Americans. News coverage does nor kill people.
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Old 06-01-2020, 01:18 PM   #5345
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We're seeing what happens when idle people get ansty....

Unless the spike in cases is bigger than Trump says it will be, but what are the odds of that?
Well, his record as a handicapper started with the March prediction of a miracle, where 15 cases would simply fade away to zero. (I immediately stocked up on masks and hand sanitiizer)

I'd take the over on whatever prediction by Mr. Trump you are referencing.
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Old 06-01-2020, 01:20 PM   #5346
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Why wouldn't they try for 6 max? Where are you hearing that?
He's dreaming about gorgonzola cheese when its brie time, baby.

(I think "5 poker players sitting on a branch" was a joke..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHr-ShdMJio

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Old 06-01-2020, 02:37 PM   #5347
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Old 06-01-2020, 03:06 PM   #5348
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Agreed. This is beyond blown over and is just a political dagger trying to bring down the current administration.

People should have zero fear if youíre a normal healthy individual.
They could make the flu like this if they gave as much coverage.
People should have very little fear if they are under 40. Even 50.

Over 60 it is scary times. The odds I would die if I caught covid are probably about 2% to 3%. Thats a big number.

I had a prostate biopsy at just about that number (for risk of potential prostate cancer killing me) at the request of my urologist at Sloan Kettering.

In the 1980's I had Hepatitis B with a risk of about 5% mortality.

You can only dodge so many 1 outers.

And of course over 80 you have about 14% chance of dying from Covid (like dodging a flush on the river when you have a set).

The reason this is unlike the Flu is that Covid is much more contagious than the flu and since it has never been here before, there is no immunity present in any community. It is also much deadlier. The Flu has a .1% mortality rate when infected. Even at .25% (which they don't know for sure) that is 2.5x deadlier. But it could be more like .5% or higher (we just don't know yet).

The bigger problem though is that those mortality rates assume that you can get treatment in an emergency room. Without any mitigation that would not be possible for some, possibly many people. Emergency rooms were flooded in many places (including New York City and Italy) with limited mitigation. In Italy people died because they were unable to get on ventilators. The worst case scenario though is that people who have non-covid emergencies would die for lack of treatment availability and/or from catching Covid at the hospital. in fact there are some people who have died of heart attacks in the US because they wouldn't go to the hospital for fear of getting infected.

And one last thing. At meat packing plants where virtually everybody is being infected, they are talking about 10 people dying out of about 3,000 workers. I would be concerned about going to work in unsafe conditions knowing that 10 people I work with in a plant of 3,000 were going to die.

I think the least we can do, if asking people to work at places like meat packing plants in order to help sustain the country, is to insure that as many protective measures as possible are being observed (masks, social distancing, hand sanitizer availability, etc.). And yet the US government has not made any of their guidelines mandatory.
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Old 06-01-2020, 03:24 PM   #5349
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parisron missed this one lol. Firekeepers Casino in Battle Creek Michigan today at 11am est. Interestingly they have not reopened poker which kind of surprised me. They have that huge $1,000,000 guarantee MSPT twice a year that blows away the guarantee. Pretty large $1100 tournament.

I guess they didn't want to risk any problems especially with a tough Governor in Michigan.
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