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View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending. 177 32.48%
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Old 05-23-2020, 06:26 PM   #5226
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Re: Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)

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Another thing the kind of stinks for the vegas casinos is all the plexiglass and other measures they are putting into place now might be fairly obsolete by the time they open. All of that would be pretty good now (May1-May 30) When people are still unsure about what is going to happen.

By the time these places reopen it will have been about a month since Georgia, Florida , Texas have fully opened up, by that time either

A) things will still be looking good in those spots and the rest of the country will be reopening or force enormous pressure to reopen. People will be even more anti-mask, anti-plexiglass, anti- any restriction then they are becoming now

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B) all these reopenings are going to cause Covid to spike, cause outbreaks, etc and in that case people will be scared to go the casinos and on airplanes in general.

These safety measure are kind of just for the "uncertain times" which don't seem like they will last much longer the more and more we learn. This being the new normal just isn't going to happen unless for whatever reason we remain uncertain of the Covid ramifications.


In PA where I live we are still locked down, the just said two weeks until yellow where some business can open. But in reality it's just hurting the economy . People are out and about all over the place. Even more now then 2-3 weeks ago when I said people are out all over. There are BBQ's large groups in parks, etc and the covid numbers just keep on a steady track downward. There were even a few traffic jams around Philly the past week, which had all the "doomsdayers" screaming about how can there be traffic jams with just essential workers! It's like they don't get that most people are over the quarentine and just living their lives at this point to whatever extent their allowed.
We just can't wish this virus away. I think you, and the folks holding large group BBQs , are just whistling past the graveyard. I'd like to be wrong, and may be, but we'll see I guess about the end of July, maybe.

Fwiw, I share your skepticism about plexiglass as effective at the poker table, too much stuff gets passed from hand to hand.

CDC says "wear a mask" when you are out in public, how damn hard is that, really ?

I still think masks should be required, and casinos should hand them out as a marketing promo. They can make them out of leftover stock of those god-awful polyester satin jackets they used to give away. (People would be more than willing to kiss a pig if it comes with a free logo give away.)

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Old 05-23-2020, 06:37 PM   #5227
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Is there any possibility the gaming commission could amend the poker table limits based on feedback at the workshop Tuesday?
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Old 05-23-2020, 06:44 PM   #5228
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Is there any possibility the gaming commission could amend the poker table limits based on feedback at the workshop Tuesday?
First, the operators need to push for the change, and a few players would be good also. Also, requiring masks, as an alternative to "4 play only" is the sort of trade-off most likely to carry the issue

If there is a will expressed by dome operators to entertain re-opening poker, you've got to give the "4 player" proponents some protective gain they can look to to prompt giving up 4 player max.

I think there is a non-zero chance if any operators want to re-open poker and raise the issue.
but a formal action is not likely on Tuesday itself. Give it maybe a month or the next GCB meeting ?

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Old 05-23-2020, 06:48 PM   #5229
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I would bet by July 1st or before it will be 6 max in Las Vegas or back to 9.
If not, very soon after.
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Old 05-23-2020, 07:56 PM   #5230
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First, the operators need to push for the change, and a few players would be good also. Also, requiring masks, as an alternative to "4 play only" is the sort of trade-off most likely to carry the issue

If there is a will expressed by dome operators to entertain re-opening poker, you've got to give the "4 player" proponents some protective gain they can look to to prompt giving up 4 player max.

I think there is a non-zero chance if any operators want to re-open poker and raise the issue.
but a formal action is not likely on Tuesday itself. Give it maybe a month or the next GCB meeting ?
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I would bet by July 1st or before it will be 6 max in Las Vegas or back to 9.
If not, very soon after.
Masks would be fine with me, though I’m not sure how they would work in conjunction with drinking at the table (not just alcohol, but it would be tough to play a long session with water).

6-max also sounds totally reasonable to me. I would enthusiastically plan a trip to Vegas to play 6-max or 9-max poker, but I probably wouldn’t if the limit is still 4, even if all the rooms are open.
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Old 05-23-2020, 10:29 PM   #5231
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Venetian poker room preparing to reopen June 5

"The Venetian plans to reopen its poker room June 5 with reduced hours and with four players to a table, as required by the state Gaming Control Board."

"The poker room will be open daily from 9 a.m. to 1 a.m., the spokeswoman said via email. Games will be played four-handed with a reduced rake (house cut) taken from each hand, she said."

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports...une-5-2034337/
If 4 handed means more hands per hour are they really giving up much rake?
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:08 PM   #5232
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If 4 handed means more hands per hour are they really giving up much rake?
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:30 PM   #5233
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Totally unrelated to poker but I am watching LivePD and only 1 police department out of the 7 featured has the officers wearing masks. I mean what the hell? They are constantly making contact with people all the time and most aren't wearing masks. So to me it is complete irresponsibility and a health and safety issue obv with covid19 for the leaders of the departments to not make masks mandatory. There is some huge gathering now in Tulsa with hundreds of people fighting and there are like 10 cops trying to break it up, all without masks and the crowd isn't wearing masks. Disgusting on so many levels.
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:45 PM   #5234
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Haven't seen tonight's episode yet as I am out West. I always watch it Friday and Saturday and I see a lot of them wearing masks. Pretty crazy that job tho with this going on. They have to get up close and personal with all kinds of weird people and crack heads.

But yea, normally at least half not wearing them. Might matter which cities, different rules.

Side note, how is there 623 people viewing NVG right now? Must be a record. lol
edit: Its the Bill Perkins thread, 62 posts and nothing said so far tho.

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Old 05-24-2020, 12:28 AM   #5235
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Sports Illustrated with a dig on Vegas 4 handed rules

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Old 05-24-2020, 12:33 AM   #5236
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Sports Illustrated with a dig on Vegas 4 handed rules

4 handed needs to be replaced as soon as possible to 6 handed. Hopefully that happens sooner rather than later in Vegas. Venetian should require all players wear masks. I am shocked that they aren't but Adelson is in charge so I guess I'm really not.
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Old 05-24-2020, 12:38 AM   #5237
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Maybe the move to 4 handed poker will help change the poker culture and get players used to playing short handed more. It's annoying when 2 players leave a game and then half the table is complaining that they won't bring more people to fill up the table and then the game breaks shortly after.
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Old 05-24-2020, 12:40 AM   #5238
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Maybe the move to 4 handed poker will help change the poker culture and get players used to playing short handed more. It's annoying when 2 players leave a game and then half the table is complaining that they won't bring more people to fill up the table and then the game breaks shortly after.
Moving to six-handed would be much more effective at doing this because a lot more rooms will open and a lot more players will be willing to try playing in the first place.
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Old 05-24-2020, 12:48 AM   #5239
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Maybe the move to 4 handed poker will help change the poker culture and get players used to playing short handed more. It's annoying when 2 players leave a game and then half the table is complaining that they won't bring more people to fill up the table and then the game breaks shortly after.
poker culture has nothing to do with it tho

you can drink your coffee read a newspaper while folding hands for hours at a full ring table and not lose much money

4-handed you will get run over

most degens will show up to play cause 4-handed is better than nothing but those games are not sustainable in a long run since many rec players will be losing at a furious pace
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Old 05-24-2020, 01:33 AM   #5240
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poker culture has nothing to do with it tho

you can drink your coffee read a newspaper while folding hands for hours at a full ring table and not lose much money

4-handed you will get run over

most degens will show up to play cause 4-handed is better than nothing but those games are not sustainable in a long run since many rec players will be losing at a furious pace
I don't think even most degens will show up to play 4 handed. If they are degens then they'll play table games. 4 handed is a total losing proposition. The difference between 4 and 6 is so big and if Vegas switched it to 6 handed I'm pretty confident the poker rooms will be packed like Florida. If you think about it, it's crazy to imagine how just 2 more players at a table changes the whole industry while we are dealing with covid19 but it truly does.
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Old 05-24-2020, 11:26 AM   #5241
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Four players per table: Is it in cards for poker?

"‘ It’s not only that people wouldn’t want to play (four-handed poker). It will be very hard for a poker room to be profitable.’ Matt Savage, executive tour director of the World Poker Tour. Savage said he didn’t think four-handed games worked for either side of the equation."

"Savage and the players agreed that six-handed games had a much better chance at viability. Poker pro Andrew Neeme of Las Vegas pointed out that six-player games are very popular online and would offer a greater sense of normalcy to most players. Every player that you add (to the table) will encourage some incremental number of players to want to play,” he said."

“There’s no point in opening if that’s the guideline,” poker pro Danielle Andersen of Henderson said. “Recs (recreational players) don’t like playing super-shorthanded.”

"Andersen said: “There’s a huge difference between four and six. If someone gets up to go to the bathroom and someone gets up to get something to eat, then you’re already down to two. That won’t work.”

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Old 05-24-2020, 02:09 PM   #5242
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Four players per table: Is it in cards for poker?

"‘ It’s not only that people wouldn’t want to play (four-handed poker). It will be very hard for a poker room to be profitable.’ Matt Savage, executive tour director of the World Poker Tour. Savage said he didn’t think four-handed games worked for either side of the equation."

"Savage and the players agreed that six-handed games had a much better chance at viability. Poker pro Andrew Neeme of Las Vegas pointed out that six-player games are very popular online and would offer a greater sense of normalcy to most players. Every player that you add (to the table) will encourage some incremental number of players to want to play,” he said."

“There’s no point in opening if that’s the guideline,” poker pro Danielle Andersen of Henderson said. “Recs (recreational players) don’t like playing super-shorthanded.”

"Andersen said: “There’s a huge difference between four and six. If someone gets up to go to the bathroom and someone gets up to get something to eat, then you’re already down to two. That won’t work.”

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The 4 down to 3 down to 2 is huge. I know even I won't play heads up but I'm down for low NL/ limit 3 handed.

I think you might only have mid to high stakes games going in jurisdictions that enforce anything below 6 handed.
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Old 05-24-2020, 07:32 PM   #5243
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Old 05-25-2020, 12:26 AM   #5244
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Old 05-25-2020, 01:20 AM   #5245
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Old 05-25-2020, 02:07 AM   #5246
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poker culture has nothing to do with it tho

you can drink your coffee read a newspaper while folding hands for hours at a full ring table and not lose much money

4-handed you will get run over

most degens will show up to play cause 4-handed is better than nothing but those games are not sustainable in a long run since many rec players will be losing at a furious pace
No it's good for recs because it's correct to play much looser which recs do naturally.

The real question is what is the rake and promo drop and exactly when is each dollar taken out of the pot.
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Old 05-25-2020, 02:30 AM   #5247
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It's good that they didn't replace it because new carpet is toxic for about a year because it offgasses VOCs. Hopefully they wanted to replace it with laminate. Carpet is gross. Viruses don't survive on it very long though.

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Old 05-25-2020, 01:33 PM   #5248
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No it's good for recs because it's correct to play much looser which recs do naturally.

The real question is what is the rake and promo drop and exactly when is each dollar taken out of the pot.
Recs won't play 4 handed for a number of reasons.

The biggest reason is that they will end up losing quickly because they will end up playing many more hands per hour. If you think about it, most players are losing players. Maybe 20% to 25% are winning players.

And while you are right that recs loose play will almost always be more effective the fewer the players, the bigger problem is that they are not aggressive enough and that will factor in a lot more.

Another reason recs won't play 4 handed is that they are typically very unfamiliar with short handed play. Whereas Pros will be adept.

Similarly, in a 4 handed game there won't be any chopping. Recs who always chop will be hard pressed to deal with that. And would probably choose not to play for that reason alone.

Having played quite a bit at Foxwoods in the past 12 years (though mostly tournaments recently) my opinion is that it would be hard to maintain 6 handed games. There are some regulars who would be happy to do it. And of course the pros would be all over it. But most fish/recs would be extremely hesitant, IMO. And the older Regs (should they even come to play during the pandemic) absolutely hate short handed games. When starting up must move games I would typically offer to play HU, 3 handed, etc. Almost nobody took me up on it. We would only start 5 handed when they could see players cards in front of empty seats meaning that once we started there would soon be almost a full table. Not to mention that was why people put their cards on the table and didn't sit down (because they didn't even want to start short handed for just a few hands).
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Old 05-25-2020, 02:32 PM   #5249
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Disclaimer - I lost the election to speak on behalf of all rec players.

But if elected, I would have said "To hell with four, won't play unless there's more".

This is the sentiment of the numerous legions of rec players I know and have contact with.

All five of them said the same thing.
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Old 05-25-2020, 05:40 PM   #5250
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I’d think the biggest reason recs don’t want to play 4-handed is just that it is a much less relaxing and less social games. It is much more personally confrontation and you need to make betting decisions much more often (and thus keep your concentration on the game rather than whatever you want to be distracted by).
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