A bunch of retired folks that have money and tired of sitting around the house for 2 months.

This is what I hear - is anyone going right away?

I think I'll wait a couple of weeks...

If a person knows they are infected, but doesnt care and goes to public place anyway. Contact tracing points to them as infecting others one of whom dies.

Was a crime committed? Which one? What would be burden of proof?


p.s. Zrap is a nut job.. Seriously guy, there are loads of websites you can go to and read and spew more of your drivel. please stop infecting this one.

Correct, you can’t drink it up then drive. But when you drive sober, you still put yourself in a situation where someone else isn’t responsible and is driving drunk on the same roads you’re on. Or maybe he has been up all night and is half asleep and driving and is a danger to you.
When you go to a baseball game, you may seat in a seating area with a risk of getting hit in the face with a lone drive. Lots of things we do has risk involved. As long as a person is aware of potential risks, they should be free to make their decisions. I have no problem with forcing masks inside casinos. Provide ample alcohol-based sanitizer.

Sorry for my broad generalizations.

If you think the Federal Govt. has handled this pandemic with competence then you are not paying attention. And that includes all of the leadership from BOTH parties.

Not labeling you with this but blind loyalty to parties is killing us. The average Americans ability to call out their party of choice is a rare thing to see. As a result we weaken ourselves.

And shame on me! This sb in a political board.


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.... for which they get to live only another 2 months if they are very unlucky.

Not a good gamble,but they are making an end of life decision maybe, like Art Carney robbing a bank with George Burns and Lee Strasberg, then shooting craps in Going In Style (1979).

Don't know why mod moved this over here to die............

Here it is folks, another armchair epidemiologist who sees through all the PhD BS and tells it how it REALLY is...

I hope you realize that anyone with two brain cells laughs in a mixture of pity and disgust at your transparently self-serving, backwards rationalizing, fact-inventing "logic."

Just saw on the Bicycle Casino twitter page a picture of them fixing up the poker tables, new arm rests, etc... But the key for me was there were 6 chairs at the table, not including the dealer.

So maybe the California card rooms are gonna be implementing 6 max games not 4 max. If so that would be huge for poker down there. I can see in that case them getting lots of games going.

Yeah I think if you take the nursing home numbers out then it's like 7 deaths total.

Wynn Will Reopen Without Poker in Concession to New Pandemic Era

"When Wynn Resorts Ltd. gets the go-ahead to reopen casinos in Las Vegas and Boston, one of gambling’s most iconic games won’t be offered: poker."

MSN: Wynn Will Reopen Without Poker in Concession to New Pandemic Era

One thing that stood out to me reading that article was where it stated something we all know. Poker rooms are very crowded and the game is 1 of the least profitable for casinos.

This has been my fear. Wynn, a staple of great poker cash games and tournaments won't reopen with poker. What worries me is that poker might not be a part of the majority of casino's future plans. I have always been optimistic that even though some smaller rooms might close, the main poker rooms in the poker industry would still be up and running. Now I am not so sure. And just read online that Parx Casino in Philadelphia will not have poker return until 2021 at the earliest.

Seriously scary times ahead for live poker both cash and tournaments.

You're listing a bunch of risks that don't affect others. Completely different from virus-related risks.

Well, at least it seems you understand that Covid decisions are a risk that affects others.

LOL, no, definitely not handled with competence in many ways. I was mainly objecting to the generalization.

And you're right, the rest of the post probably doesn't belong here, but I completely agree.

Well, if you started a thread in NVG about casinos in one state opening, I think the logical moderation choices would either be to close it or merge it here. You'd probably be better off posting about this in Casino & Cardroom Poker. There's likely an existing thread either in the main forum or one of the subforums that would be an appropriate place for the discussion.

This is negligent on part of operator. For sure, operators need to take steps to get back into business and reopen the gaming floor. From what I have read of internal procedures, the larger operators are taking this very seriously and taking a long term approach to re-opening... smaller steps as their employees and customers adapt. For example, Harrahs Cherokee re-opened with invite only guests, dramatically reducing number of people on floor. Contrast that with this ridiculous scene on the slot floor.

Balls to the walls opening like in this picture, putting short term revenue ahead of long term industry goals is just greed and stupidity. One cluster incident from any of the dozens of small venues that approach re-opening like this will ruin it for all, and set the industry back even more. Replicating this scene across time and other venues, it seems more likely than not that a cluster incident traced back to casino will happen.

Definitely seems to be a result of the social distancing limitations being proposed for poker (4 players at a table). The game is not really viable at that level. Not for players or for casinos. I think it should be clear from my other comments that I find the manner in which social distancing is being interpreted and implemented by casinos to be ridiculous and will ultimately be proven to be ineffective.

But, of course, there’s little solace to take from that if one wants to play live poker and the options are slim. I do find encouragement, and you should to, that there is a great deal of demand for poker. And when such a thing exists, sooner or later someone will meet that demand.

I wonder what the chance of a second wave is. Seems like a combination of negligence, laziness and boredom won't keep people from staying at home. There were some bars in AZ that were packed recently as well.

Your recurring theme on these efforts being in the ballpark of window dressing is quite valid. The more experiments that are published tracking airborne path of the virus the more concern all should have being anywhere in crowds of people.

Drastically limiting the number of patrons allowed inside for the time being should have been in all the regs / guidelines. Harrahs Cherokee did it in right imo, with invite only opening to get started. That picture from the slot floor of the AZ casino just blows my mind.


Don't have any idea how to handicap a wave, but with testing improving, I believe the chance of various clusters and localized outbreaks is much more likely than not. See Korea nightclub sourced outbreak after they opened. all clubs were quickly shut back down.

You are right about the theme to my comments but we have different conclusions. Obviously restricting interaction (far beyond typical social distancing) is the only more or less fool proof way to prevent spread if it happens so easily through air at large distances. But I don’t think that sort of thing is viable. But there is a glimmer of hope if what some have said about the effectiveness of N95 or higher rated masks is true.

If the politicians and other decision makers find a way to get off the social distancing thing (not an easy task given how strongly this has been pushed in every corner of government and private business), then I could foresee a “reality” where the following general guidelines rule the day until such time as vaccines and treatments are widely available...

1) we try to keep at risk people isolated

2) we try to keep symptomatic people isolated.

3) for the rest, we require N95 masks be worn at all times indoors.

If people want to encourage extra sanitization efforts, that’s fine, but it isn’t a key factor. Something as simple as making hand sanitizer readily available would probably do as much good as any stringent cleaning processes.

And that’s it. No real social distancing. Truly large gathering like concerts and sports would probably have to wait a bit to make sure the masks do their job, but still this is a world that seems much more livable than the one being described now which, in all likelihood, will not prove effective at stopping the spread. And on a selfish note, it would allow us to get back to playing poker faster. It would still not be ideal with the masks and the inconveniences they will cause. Still better than nothing IMO.

To give some more perspective on AZ casinos, there were lines out the doors all day long. Went to 2 of them to check-out the scene when they opened at noon and again at 10pm.

From my brief observations from driving by:

50+ demo mostly with many 70+ (no surprise)

Maybe a third actually wearing a mask

Lines were hundreds deep outside at 10pm (mostly cluttered together)

In the couple minutes of observing I also noticed there were several overweight people slugging about along with elderly in wheel chairs and a tough 70+ oldtimer on crutches. Didn't see oxygen tanks but had I been inside perhaps there were those too.

I'm all for getting things back to normal but find it ironic about all the hysteria over protecting the elderly when a business (casino in this case) is allowing them to enter an area which greatly increases their risks. If we're going this direction, fine by me but why shut everything down for months only to get to a point we could have adopted from day 1 (enter at your own risk).

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these folks should have no right to medical care in a hospital for covid-19 treatment.

ridiculous that health care workers, health care capacity be put in jeopardy when these folks have such little regard for their own well being.

degens gonna degen

if liquor stores were as ubiquitous as casinos, they'd have lines outside as well

It sounds like a lot of states need to pass emergency legislation temporarily permitting age discrimination against the elderly in some of these places (unless a person can provide positive serological test results).

They look like zombies

Maybe a little bit of my personal analysis kind of stated as fact. I'd agree to that. But not only of the states that have been opening not facing massive outbreaks like all the "doomsdayers" we have in this thread predicting. But many states that are still in lock down are having twice as much traffic on the roads etc the past month. In other words more people are lossening up their lock down and going out and about for the last month and no uptick in COVID.

In my county, pretty large county outside Philly. As of about a week ago there were ~220 Covid deaths , with ~160+ coming in nursing homes. Thats not an anomaly, there are a lot of counties like that. I'm too lazy to look up the national stats maybe someone else can. Out of the 85,000 total how many are from nursing homes / assisted living facilities where the residents never even venture out of the facility.

LOL ***** DEGENS