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Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread) Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)
View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending.
177 32.48%
Definitely wont attend.
112 20.55%
Probably wont attend.
93 17.06%
Probably will attend.
71 13.03%
Definitely will attend.
92 16.88%

02-29-2020 , 08:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eponymous
It’s not because you’re promoting caution. It’s because you for some reason continue to target someone who isn’t dismissing it. You misunderstood a sarcastic post, and after that was pointed out to you, you continue to attack him even though he was taking the opposite view you thought he was.

It’s not my fight, so I won’t say any more about it. I’m just totally baffled as to why you wouldn’t just admit your mistake and move on, but then I remind myself this in NVG, so dig your heels in and continue the inane posts!
He said this is a silly thread, and that it is too early to worry about the virus.

I can't be bothered anymore with someone who thinks like that, so I wont say any more about him either, other than to say he (and everyone else) would be well advised to go to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ for an accurate view of the problem.
02-29-2020 , 08:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
The virus is pretty large in size ~400-500nm in diameter.
Any normal mask should be able to filter it out. If someone sneezes it will take about 3m before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

When the virus is on a metal surface it will live for at least 12hrs. So remember to wash your hands with soap thoroughly.

The virus can remain active on fabric for 6-12hrs. Normal laundry detergent should kill the virus. You can also put clothing out under the sun to kill it.

Regarding the symptoms it will infect the throat first. You will have a dry, sore throat feeling which will last 3 to 4 days.

Then the virus will blend into the nasal fluid and drips into the trachea and enter the lungs causing pneumonia. This process will take 5-6 days.

With pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You will feel like you are drowning in water. Seek medical attention immediately.

The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 min. So wash your hands often and don't touch your face.

Also use Betadine Sore Throat gargle often and wear a mask in public places like buses, trains, planes, airports, taxis.
It’s social service if someone provide information to help in the time of social panic. But has to be credible . What is the source of your information ? R u a medical professional?
02-29-2020 , 08:51 AM
I am 100% in support of WSOP 2020 not getting cancelled. The primary objectives that should guide the organizers' actions should be:

Give the WSOP 2020 the prestige that it deserves.

Give as many players as possible the opportunities to achieve their gold bracelet and money payoff dreams.

Maximize health safety by KEEPING CROWDS SMALL.

The obvious actions:

1. Cancel all the small and medium buy-in live events that attract the biggest crowds.

2. Quadruple the number of online gold bracelet events to replace the above live events.

3. Keep the naturally small participation events, namely, the super high rollers ($25,000 buy-in or higher) in place.

Finally:

4. Hold two "Main Events":

- the online $10,000 Main Event

- the live $100,000 Main Event

That's right. TWO Main Events!!!

Withhold 10% of each of the above 2 events and use the money as the price pool to pay for the heads up match that the two Main Event "Champions" will play several months later that would determine the "Undisputed WSOP Main Event Champion of 2020".

All of my suggestions in this post should help ensure that WSOP 2020 would go on as scheduled; that the crowds would stay small; give the players many opportunities to win their dream gold bracelet; give the WSOP possibly big time main stream media exposure and possibly have it serve as a role model for how all big events can be run during a crisis that otherwise would have paralyzed many other big events.

Last edited by Registered 2018; 02-29-2020 at 09:05 AM.
02-29-2020 , 09:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Trooper
How about just ban all countries that are having a big outbreak?
I mean isn’t this already happening with countries blocking certain countries from flying in? Honestly I haven’t kept up with any of this virus stuff, so maybe I’m just totally misinformed.
As of today, there are now 4 new cases (within the last few days) of the disease in the U.S. without any known connection to previously infected patients or travel, including 2 in Northern California (90 miles apart), one in Oregon and one in Washington. So you may have to eventually add those states to the banned list as the virus spreads. [Many of the small outbreaks are rapidly expanding to big ones.]
02-29-2020 , 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Why
He said this is a silly thread, and that it is too early to worry about the virus..
He said it was silly in a post referring to all the posts about ladder deaths. Earlier posts (by the OP) that he was critical of that likely also led him to characterize the thread as silly were saying things like this is the end of the species as we know it.

He said worrying itself isn’t going to help when someone asked if he should worry but advised continuing to monitor the situation.
02-29-2020 , 10:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eponymous
He said it was silly in a post referring to all the posts about ladder deaths. Earlier posts (by the OP) that he was critical of that likely also led him to characterize the thread as silly were saying things like this is the end of the species as we know it.

He said worrying itself isn’t going to help when someone asked if he should worry but advised continuing to monitor the situation.
It is amazing how people make things up to suit their agenda.

Please could you point out the earlier posts saying things like this is the end of the species as we know it.

Four of this weekend's five postponed Italian Serie A fixtures were due to take place on Sunday with the match at Udinese due to kick off on Saturday at 17:00 GMT.

Italy has put towns in the north into lockdown after more than 300 people were infected, 12 of whom have died.

It follows last weekend's disruption when four Serie A games in Milan, Bergamo, Verona and Turin were suspended and Serie B side Cremonese drove 300 miles to Ascoli, only to be sent home upon arrival.

Then on Thursday, Inter Milan's Europa League victory over Ludogorets was played behind closed doors at San Siro Stadium.

This weekend's games at Lazio, Napoli, Lecce and Cagliari will go ahead with supporters as normal, but Sampdoria's match on Monday is yet to be decided upon.

With confirmed cases of the virus now on every continent other than Antarctica, Fifa president Gianni Infantino has not ruled out next month's international fixtures being postponed.
"People's health is much more important than any game, I wouldn't exclude anything at this moment. "That's why we have to look at the situation and hope that it will decrease rather than increase. At the moment it looks like it is still increasing.

If games have to be postponed or played without spectators until it is over, then we have to go through that."

Therefore the answer for the WSOP is clear: to avoid risks of infection to during or after the tournament, hold it as a computerised lottery, where people pay $10,000 to enter, and a computerised tournament takes place, randomly generating results until the 2020 winner is found.

Last edited by Jay Why; 02-29-2020 at 10:48 AM.
02-29-2020 , 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by riverph7
It’s social service if someone provide information to help in the time of social panic. But has to be credible . What is the source of your information ? R u a medical professional?
It's good that people like you and Xeno keep trying to distract from the point and contribute nothing. Keep going.

Last edited by Mr Spyutastic; 02-29-2020 at 10:50 AM. Reason: Do you have to be a medical professional to tell people to wash their hands?
02-29-2020 , 11:01 AM
One positive note: This pandemic might spur some U.S. state governments and Indian tribes to fast track online gambling (including poker), as the social paradigm shifts further away from live venues.
02-29-2020 , 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eponymous
I guess black is white and up is down in this thread. The person who thinks there’s nothing to worry about if tens (if not hundreds) of thousands people die as long as he’s relatively safe thinks Karma (if it were actually a thing) would be targeting anyone more than himself.

Dude, if you actually believe in Karma, you might want to examine your views about life and the world.
do you often make up stuff that people said?

my view is that people should not panic and do what needs to be done to avoid spreading the virus, its not the goddamn apocalypse, its like you’re being dense on purpose, I also said I’ve been on immunosuppressant drugs for 4 years so im not relatively safe, at all.

Spyutastic isnt helping anyone he’s just insulting anyone who doesn’t think exactly like he does.
02-29-2020 , 12:31 PM
Random comments:

1. As this is a poker forum it is understandable that the thread (initially) focused on the effect on the 2020 WSOP. Of course, the impact of the virus is far greater and far more important than any poker series. But the poker community is justifiably concerned whether or not the WSOP will take place this year.

2. The normal amount of "arguing" here is expected just like any NVG thread. Different people will have different views on the subject(s). And people will express those views in a wide variety of ways.

3. Having said that, given the thread's serious subject matter mods will attempt to keep personal attacks and trolling to a minimum.
02-29-2020 , 12:56 PM
I'd rather the personal attacks and insults be directed at registered2018 if at anyone.

"That's right. TWO Main Events!!!"

Oh god.


'Withhold 10% of each of the above 2 events and use the money as the price pool to pay for the heads up match that the two Main Event "Champions" will play several months later that would determine the "Undisputed WSOP Main Event Champion of 2020".'

Oh sweet mother of god.
02-29-2020 , 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
One positive note: This pandemic might spur some U.S. state governments and Indian tribes to fast track online gambling (including poker), as the social paradigm shifts further away from live venues.
Yeah, sure, priority #1 during a pandemic is always online poker.
02-29-2020 , 01:50 PM

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Google and Amazon Restrict Employees' Travel Due to Coronavirus (Feb 28th)

"The tech industry has seen significant impact from the ongoing outbreaks, including store closures across China and production delays. Organizers canceled Mobile World Congress after companies like Amazon, ZTE, and Sony pulled out, and Facebook canceled the in-person portion of its annual F8 developer conference."
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Last edited by dhubermex; 02-29-2020 at 02:16 PM.
02-29-2020 , 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Why
It is amazing how people make things up to suit their agenda.

Please could you point out the earlier posts saying things like this is the end of the species as we know it.
Make things up? Wow, this is almost fun it's so easy. It's amazing how your posts continue to be so obviously and so provably wrong. Here it is, said by the OP just like I said it was.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Registered 2018
It is looking like Triton and the WSOP are the least of our problems. We're talking the end of our species as we know it.
02-29-2020 , 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
The virus is pretty large in size ~400-500nm in diameter.
Any normal mask should be able to filter it out. If someone sneezes it will take about 3m before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

When the virus is on a metal surface it will live for at least 12hrs. So remember to wash your hands with soap thoroughly.

The virus can remain active on fabric for 6-12hrs. Normal laundry detergent should kill the virus. You can also put clothing out under the sun to kill it.

Regarding the symptoms it will infect the throat first. You will have a dry, sore throat feeling which will last 3 to 4 days.

Then the virus will blend into the nasal fluid and drips into the trachea and enter the lungs causing pneumonia. This process will take 5-6 days.

With pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You will feel like you are drowning in water. Seek medical attention immediately.

The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 min. So wash your hands often and don't touch your face.

Also use Betadine Sore Throat gargle often and wear a mask in public places like buses, trains, planes, airports, taxis.
This really needs a source as much of it contradicts what actual medical experts have said/written.

For one, you appear to be wrong about the size of the virus and the usefulness of masks:

Everything I've seen indicates it's actually around 120nm in diameter, not 400-500.

https://www.pptaglobal.org/media-and...tein-therapies

"The SARS-CoV-2 is a large sized virus (approximately 120 nm in diameter) (12, 13)."

Similarly almost every article I've seen indicates that standard medical masks that everyone uses are of limited, at best, use.

https://www.livescience.com/face-mas...ronavirus.html

Not going to bother looking at all the rest, but pretty sure that your 6-12 hour lifespan is also completely wrong. Here is an article on a recent study on the issue.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...ruses-persist?

"The first section of the new paper focuses on how long coronaviruses can survive on inanimate surfaces, such as tables and door handles. The authors show that, depending on the material and the conditions, human coronaviruses can remain infectious from 2 hours to 9 days."
02-29-2020 , 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade
do you often make up stuff that people said?
I'll just quote your posts where you take the stance where it's only a concern for people who themselves fit in the most at risk demographic. Yes, you mentioned you're more at risk than most people but also pointed out that, hey, it's mainly old people that have to worry, so why should young people who read this forum be concerned? You don't care about old people as long as you're not one? That's where Karma will get you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade
the death rate is 2% boys, being infected is far from a death sentence
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade
yeah but the thing is those statistics include infants and old people whose chances are of dying are significantly higher, a healthy 30 yr old human is very unlikely to die from it, not impossible but it's far less than 2%

I'm not saying it's like getting a cold fwiw, just saying it seems to be blown way out of proportion by the medias, the last coronavirus we had as 10% death rate.

it seems to be like a very bad case of influenza, I'm also saying that as someone who is more at risk than most people given I've been taking immunosuppressant drugs for the past 4 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade
oh what was I thinking, I forgot the vast majority of people posting here are 80 yrs old or older
02-29-2020 , 02:44 PM

02-29-2020 , 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rakemeplz
I'd rather the personal attacks and insults be directed at registered2018 if at anyone.

"That's right. TWO Main Events!!!"

Oh god.


'Withhold 10% of each of the above 2 events and use the money as the price pool to pay for the heads up match that the two Main Event "Champions" will play several months later that would determine the "Undisputed WSOP Main Event Champion of 2020".'

Oh sweet mother of god.
Let's make it happen, WSOP!!!
02-29-2020 , 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluffy68
Yeah, sure, priority #1 during a pandemic is always online poker.
No, but online gambling will be for casino corporations in Indian tribes once their casino foot traffic dive bombs, as well as many state governments that rely on strong revenues from casino gambling. I'm not saying that it will happen during the pandemic, I'm talking about the resultant change in social paradigm, which will lead people to shop, work, school, etc. from home. This pandemic is going to change world views for many people, quite likely.

Last edited by PokerXanadu; 02-29-2020 at 03:07 PM.
02-29-2020 , 03:07 PM
Let me tell you the corona virus will spread and soon everyone in the US will have to play online poker.

So you might as well start now with your peditions and stuff...
02-29-2020 , 03:07 PM
The I-15 Freeway that takes Californians to Las Vegas should IMMEDIATELY be closed NOW that someone in the West Coast was just announced dead - and there are 2 cases out in Cali of infected people that never traveled abroad.
02-29-2020 , 03:23 PM
The highway has to be closed RIGHTNOW IMMEDIATELY.
Immeeeediiiaately wtf to do.
02-29-2020 , 03:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Why
It is fascinating to work out just how serious this is, as it starts to feel as though the authorities are downplaying the high mortality.

In South Korea 24 have fully recovered, but 16 have died.
In Italy 46 have fully recovered, but 21 have died.
In Iran 73 have fully recovered, but 34 have died.
So the 2% mortality rate that keeps getting repeated is way out, it can be closer to 50% and this is at a time when the infected will be getting the best care, before health services get overloaded.
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension and/or mathematical skills.
I suspect the quoted numbers are from an article about hospital intensive care admissions, or isolation wards, and the survival rates in those. Most people that contract the virus won't be hospitalized, and many won't even have obvious symptoms.
If anything, the mortality rate might be much lower than 2%, since infected people won't necessarily present themselves at hospitals, let alone be admitted and then die. For the vast majority of people, getting the virus will be like catching a cold.

FWIW, I'm gravely concerned about the outbreak, but don't think a misrepresentation of the statistics helps. If the mortality rate was 50% (a figure which would be laughable if the matter wasn't so serious), human civilisation would basically collapse, and the last thing people would be panicking about would be a stupid card card game in the desert.
02-29-2020 , 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension and/or mathematical skills.
I suspect the quoted numbers are from an article about hospital intensive care admissions, or isolation wards, and the survival rates in those. Most people that contract the virus won't be hospitalized, and many won't even have obvious symptoms.
If anything, the mortality rate might be much lower than 2%, since infected people won't necessarily present themselves at hospitals, let alone be admitted and then die. For the vast majority of people, getting the virus will be like catching a cold.

FWIW, I'm gravely concerned about the outbreak, but don't think a misrepresentation of the statistics helps. If the mortality rate was 50% (a figure which would be laughable if the matter wasn't so serious), human civilisation would basically collapse, and the last thing people would be panicking about would be a stupid card card game in the desert.

I think you underestimate this virus. It's something we never had before.
This is a pandemic. Do we understand the magnitude of this?
This means everyone of us will get it at some point.
02-29-2020 , 03:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by washoe
This is a pandemic. Do we understand the magnitude of this?
This means everyone of us will get it at some point.
In the long run it's JOHN MAYNARD KEYNES anyway, so whatever. But I'd rather DIE LIKE KOBE than die in Intensive Care with the Corona.

      
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