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Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread) Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)
View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending.
177 32.48%
Definitely wont attend.
112 20.55%
Probably wont attend.
93 17.06%
Probably will attend.
71 13.03%
Definitely will attend.
92 16.88%

02-27-2020 , 08:37 PM
I would think that there's a tonne of contingency planning going on behind the scenes, but they'll want to continue with "everything is normal, nothing to see here" until they get to a point where they feel they need to take action.

I imagine they have a lot of things to balance when deciding how to proceed. They have to look at their own side of it - what extra expenses do they have to lay out, and when do they need to postpone/cancel in order to save most of that cost? And then there's the public side - not a good look if you let everyone book flights and then pull the plug at the last minute.

And of course there's the public health concern - is it possible it would be economically viable to proceed, yet they call it off for health concerns? I sort of assume that if it's bad enough to call off for public health reasons, that they'd want to anyway because they would have a poor turnout, but maybe enough poker players would come out regardless, making it a health decision rather than a financial one.
02-27-2020 , 09:09 PM
Maybe only 10 people will register but by the time Main Event comes around they'll all be in self isolation.
They'll then have to vote on who the winner is, vote for themselves, and then when they all vote again, JRB wins.
02-27-2020 , 09:23 PM
feels like the only way WSOP happens would be if the virus fizzles out with warm weather, but then again people often do stupid **** for money
02-27-2020 , 10:46 PM
When you stop to think about it.. the WSOP is one of the only spectacles on earth where you have thousands of players flying in from all over the world. Not to mention people are literally eating and breathing within one foot of each other. As much as I feel like the coronavirus is being overblown by the media (to an extent), this will be a very dangerous situation for an air born disease.

People in america are already freaking out and we have a total of 0 cases transferred locally in our communities. Imagine if by the time the WSOP starts there are 500 or 1,000 people infected at the local level (still an astronomically low # compared to the amount of people living in the US)..but nevertheless I could see hysteria... My prediction is that the WSOP is going to have some interesting decisions to make over the coming months.
02-27-2020 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I would think that there's a tonne of contingency planning going on behind the scenes, but they'll want to continue with "everything is normal, nothing to see here" until they get to a point where they feel they need to take action.

I imagine they have a lot of things to balance when deciding how to proceed. They have to look at their own side of it - what extra expenses do they have to lay out, and when do they need to postpone/cancel in order to save most of that cost? And then there's the public side - not a good look if you let everyone book flights and then pull the plug at the last minute.

And of course there's the public health concern - is it possible it would be economically viable to proceed, yet they call it off for health concerns? I sort of assume that if it's bad enough to call off for public health reasons, that they'd want to anyway because they would have a poor turnout, but maybe enough poker players would come out regardless, making it a health decision rather than a financial one.
"Tonne" ?

You're not from around here, are ya, Pilgrim ?
02-27-2020 , 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RidePolaris
Haha China is NOT a sworn enemy of North Korea. Just the opposite actually. There is no country with a closer relationship with North Korea than China.

Is there ever fact in any of your posts?
His screen name ?
02-27-2020 , 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by auralex14
Timex set the line at 12-1 it gets cancelled, and he’s taking the side that WSOP will not happen so you have to assume he puts the odds at more like 10-1 or even better.
It's def shorter than 10-1 to get cancelled. Cheltenham festival in the UK (large horse racing meeting) is currently only 2-1 to get cancelled according to the Betfair market on it, and that's just a couple of weeks away.

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plu...et/1.169321914

Last edited by SootedPowa; 02-27-2020 at 11:13 PM.
02-27-2020 , 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LimpDitka
People in america are already freaking out and we have a total of 0 cases transferred locally in our communities.
A case has already been reported in Solano County in California. So it has started already.
02-27-2020 , 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LimpDitka
When you stop to think about it.. the WSOP is one of the only spectacles on earth where you have thousands of players flying in from all over the world.....
.
No, it's not ......
02-27-2020 , 11:08 PM
Uncertainty in a Time of Coronavirus

by Amitha Kalaichandran -- February 26, 2020 (Scientific American Blog)

Here’s why communicating public health risk during an epidemic is so challenging

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...f-coronavirus/

"All of this whiplash points to one perhaps uncomfortable thing: no one really knows how bad COVID-19 is, and how much damage it could eventually lead to."
02-27-2020 , 11:18 PM
Unless the virus becomes ubiquitous and death rates soar, chances are the WSOP will go on. The WSOP is vital to the RIO property and their bottom line.

If anything should be canceled it's the super-seniors event as that group seems to be the most susceptible. If you're under 50 seems like your chances of getting zapped are practically nil.

If things go pear-shaped, and I was the WSOP, I would figure out an online component.

I would also have some type of waiver with it stated openly that you're playing at your own risk. I would also say no refunds even if you get a note from your doctor. Too many shady shysters.

02-28-2020 , 12:20 AM
From https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN20M069

Quote:
Hong Kong quarantined a pet dog of a coronavirus patient after it showed “weak positive” results for the virus, even though it did not have any symptoms. Further tests would be conducted to confirm if the dog had been infected.
and

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There is particular concern over a case in Japan in which a woman tested positive for the virus for a second time. Second positive tests have also been reported in China and could imply contracting the disease does not confer immunity.

Last edited by Best Buddy; 02-28-2020 at 12:28 AM.
02-28-2020 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
WSOP Confirms Monitoring Coronavirus Outbreak: ‘The 2020 Schedule Remains Intact’

"In one thread on the TwoPlusTwo poker forum entitled 'Will the Coronavirus cause the POSTPONEMENT of the WSOP 2020?', a user known only as 'Registered 2018' speculated as to the possibility of the WSOP being postponed."

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2020/...wsop-36521.htm
Weeks later its still intact. Anticipating to see what happens next with today's latest developments.
02-28-2020 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildspoke

Interesting, I had been led to believe the newborn that was diagnosed with it had died but it turns out that baby was discharged from the hospital free of the virus at 16 days old.
02-28-2020 , 01:08 AM
just cancel seniors event
02-28-2020 , 02:01 AM
It is interesting to look at the figures, we keep hearing it has a 2% fatality rate, but actually in real terms it is 7%, as that 2% includes people still undecided on the outcome.

But if you look at figures for those whose incubation period completed, with either recovery or death, there is a 7% fatality.

39,448 Cases which had an outcome: 36,590 (93%) Recovered / Discharged

2,858 (7%) Deaths
02-28-2020 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Broederliefde
just cancel seniors event
...but 20% of all cases wound up in Intensive Care regardless of age. There won't be enough beds in Vegas to cover such an eventuality.

Plus, the non-senior people have children, parents and grandparents that they'll probably go back home to.
02-28-2020 , 02:13 AM
Huge e-sports tournament this weekend last minute got their permission to have a live audience (20-30k+ people) revoked and now are having to refund all the tickets and do a online stream only show for one of the biggest tournaments of the year for SC2 and CSGO.

Many people super angry obviously having travelled from around the world and bought hotels tickets etc, and already being exposed to being around a large amount of people before poland last minute changes their mind

IEM Katowice



https://twitter.com/IEM/status/1233104345182457858

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/558583611?t=10h12m39s



For my 2c regarding the WSOP , I would guess that WSOP and properties involved will do everything in their power to still have the events go on because of all the money involved. Only way it gets cancelled is for Trump / US government to intervene and prevent large scale events from happening which doesn't seem that likely because it would mean Trump has to admit the virus is out of his control if it got to that level.
02-28-2020 , 02:13 AM
Give me odds, i'm willing to bet 1K-5K in btc with escrow since im not very known that it will be canceled
02-28-2020 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
It is interesting to look at the figures, we keep hearing it has a 2% fatality rate, but actually in real terms it is 7%, as that 2% includes people still undecided on the outcome.

But if you look at figures for those whose incubation period completed, with either recovery or death, there is a 7% fatality.

39,448 Cases which had an outcome: 36,590 (93%) Recovered / Discharged

2,858 (7%) Deaths
The other thing people aren't considering is that the numbers from China are likely a lot better than what we will have elsewhere as they are much more prepared with regards to hospital capacity and treatment compared to here in the US.

US numbers once it reaches saturation could be worse.

Most people are going to be SOL if this gets serious and hospitals reach capacity.
02-28-2020 , 03:02 AM
Also we have no idea what the mortality rate is for people who can't receive care. Mostly meaning access to ventilators.

This is not a flu, and shouldn't be compared to the flu. I don't know why so many people keep saying that. It's really stupid. The quicker people realize it, the better. This **** goes straight to the lungs and is very contagious. Treatment of severe cases is largely respiratory treatment, and not so easy to come by even in wealthier countries, on a large scale. Governments and their people will need to take this very seriously, be willing to quarantine and socially isolate, to limit the spread of the virus. The fewer people get it, the less it can spread, not overwhelming hospitals. This is our best defence right now.

Which is why everyone should be taking this seriously as an act of prevention.

Another note regarding the death rate in China is that not everyone who died were able to be tested and confirmed. Some died and were just burned and never counted.
02-28-2020 , 04:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coolstorytho
Major esports tournament happening this weekend in Poland (afaik w/o cases) was just closed for public
https://clips.twitch.tv/FunImpossibleNostrilDxAbomb

wsop must be incomparably larger risk
this weekend and then teh WSOP is in late may.

time will tell, we wont know till end of march tbh
02-28-2020 , 04:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildspoke
Unless the virus becomes ubiquitous and death rates soar, chances are the WSOP will go on. The WSOP is vital to the RIO property and their bottom line.

If anything should be canceled it's the super-seniors event as that group seems to be the most susceptible. If you're under 50 seems like your chances of getting zapped are practically nil.

If things go pear-shaped, and I was the WSOP, I would figure out an online component.

I would also have some type of waiver with it stated openly that you're playing at your own risk. I would also say no refunds even if you get a note from your doctor. Too many shady shysters.

You really haven’t thought this through.

Let’s imagine you have 2 carriers in the Rio who are under 50. By the end of the series, 1000s of under 50s could have it. They then go home and infect their family and friends, including olds.

Cancel the series, slow the spread.
If it’s still an issue by then.
02-28-2020 , 04:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Why
What is scary is the number crunching that is going on. Over here in the UK they are calculating 4/5 people could catch it if it became uncontrollable, so that is 50,000,000 people, and they are calculating of that, 500,000 could die.
That is scary. But with all the control measures in China, what percentage of their total population were infected? We'll never know because they were only able to test the most severe cases, and not until long after the start.

But it most likely was an infection rate (not death rate) of less than 0.1% of their 1.4 billion people (equals 1.4 million infected), right? So why would 80% of people in the UK get infected if (probably) less than 0.1% of the people in China got infected?
02-28-2020 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Best Buddy
That is scary. But with all the control measures in China, what percentage of their total population were infected? We'll never know because they were only able to test the most severe cases, and not until long after the start.

But it most likely was an infection rate (not death rate) of less than 0.1% of their 1.4 billion people (equals 1.4 million infected), right? So why would 80% of people in the UK get infected if (probably) less than 0.1% of the people in China got infected?
China has 78,832 of which 335 are new cases, so once it gets a big foothold in a country it stays there. In some ways what happens in China is going to show what will happen to the rest of the world, as it spread there from a few cases to 78,832 and still increasing. So with the highly contagious nature of this often initially undetectable virus, and the rapid constant doubling of infections, people in big cities will end up getting exposed to it.

      
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