i was only saying dont get your hopes up. But with kyl on "our" side we have a better shot.

QFT

Wow, I did NOT know this... I heard the aforementioned ad this morning. Got me a little optimistic for a moment, too.

I don't know how the process works at the state level, but hopefully there is a mark-up period during which this part of it could be removed. Sure, California is populous. But I can't imagine it's large enough to sustain an intrastate-only online poker industry.

me too, people are biased and have a VERY short term memory.
you seem to forget all those bills that were "sure to pass before the end of the year" hahaha ****ing joke
go set up a bank account in thailand and set up a proxy instead of waiting on your gov to tell you whwat to do.
do you think you set up a business like that in 3 month. lol nvgtards.

Optimism sure isn't popular here on 2+2 is it??

I think it used to be but look at poker's history over the last couple of years

come on man legislate this thing ONE TIME

Hey, I hope I didn't offend you. I thought the "guaranteed" was the key word in that context. And it really wasn't (guaranteed a year ago). Reid met opposition not only from the ~"rest" of the government, but from quite a fraction of the poker community as well (if that counted for anything)...


The reason why I brought it up is that it seems/feels to me that this whole plot has been developing for a reason - there was this ~sudden(?) shift in paradigm from the casino industry regarding online pokers. This shift also hasn't occurred on an empty spot, out of nowhere. I suppose the US Gvt hates the idea of a profitable industry, right under their nose, they have no income from, nor control over. The two forces (casino+~gvt) are interwoven and are fed by each other. Hence the Reid '10 ~"bill", which, I believe, was just something never meant to see the light, but to create the groundwork, a momentum-builder (as it is so fashionable to say nowadays)...


This whole thing is an EV play by the Gvt and therefore the casinos. Things in politics actually happen way before they become public, and "public" is what we, the community, are left with. I think Reid/Kyl coalition was made way before March/April 2011 (when Kyl, famously, agreed to reconsider iPokers). Had the Reid lame duck bill gone on, how much harder would it be for the Gvt to prosecute PS/FTP? How much harder would it be to show and convince the nation that the US really needs regulation, to not let the "terrorists chip-dump $ on PS/FTP", to not let 14-19 y.o.'s max out mommy's credit card? How much harder would it be to get a couple hundred mill off the big two (**** AP/UB)?


The whole thing just fits too perfectly. This is Chess. And really well-played at that… The BF created a huge resonance in the society. The US Gvt keeps the face, authority + $, the casino’s no competition - almost a duopoly. So, again, I am a layman, who knows nothing of politics, economics and its’ undercurrents etc. But this just seems so…

Thinly veiled brag
Pics?

I agree with you that this time it's different and it looks more likely. I remember having these same feelings last December and now I am a bit jaded. I can see Black Friday being a good thing for poker because it opens congress eyes to what Americans want but that's the only benefit of BF.

I don't know much about politics either and if I was more informed as to the dealings of congress and who influences what I wouldn't be so pessimistic.

Not a chance. The Bill would never pass. Were at minimum 2 years out before we even have a chance in hell at online poker being regulated and legalized.

Family Values groups will make sure. We lobby at 40mph they lobby at 100mph. More donations, more active members. active being the key word.

Not enough politicians will take the political risk and get behind a E-gaming bill. Especially in times like these...the National debt...presedential primary's approaching ect ect. 0% chance folks. You heard it here 1st...or at least 293848st.

unfortunately i have to agree with this. i think we're along ways away from getting this.

But hence the "strengthening the UIGEA" bit (e.g. Kyl etc.)... Why in the world would Caesar's/MGM, of ALL ENTITIES(!!!), advocate AGAINST games other than iPokers??? It's bone/maneuver for the Family Values groups etc.

Thats not true. Your statements are unfounded and based upon assumptions. I think your timeline is off but I am unsure about the end of this year.

If poker gets passed through the appropriations committee wouldnt that be a nail in the coffin of opponents of poker legislation? anyone? Or does it seal the deal?

I beg to differ....... Country is in dire need of capital, ONLINE POKER is a cash cow. Do you think BLACK FRIDAY was a coincidence?

Black Friday was a strong arm by the Government to clear the playing field for US based ONLINE POKER...

$40Billion over 10 years (projection) is what this is all about, a money grab and the Government is in...

talk is cheap

Lets be frank, 4 billion dollars a year in the scope of our Federal Budget is a pimple on a dog's ass. Having said that, I guess every bit helps.

I am as optimistic as I've ever been that this gets done soon.

Knowing the political landscape we're in now, I'm not expecting anything to happen soon. I hope I'm wrong though.

I've had it up to HERE with you cowards, begging for legislation. We're past that. Black Friday was a direct attack on us, a direct FORCEFUL attack.

Strike back with what force we can. Play online poker for bitcoin. Its freakin easy. Its such a huge threat to these scumbags in power, if people do it en masse.

Or sit around and wait for people who don't care about YOU and YOUR FAMILY and your ability to produce for them, and let these idiots just grab more and more power, wherever they see fit, and maybe when they get around to it regulating this relatively small industry.

I mean seriously come on; btcontilt has 100nl running regularly; betcoin has 100plo. You have no excuses but your own ignorance. Bitcoin IS money. I've cashed out from these sites and gotten money in the bank account.

Oh, and as a slight bonus, the players are literally worse than the party poker days.

But yeah, enjoy sitting here mentally masturbating over harrah's . com. I gotta go grind.

= No one wants to farm tomatoes. Especially when ketchup is needed more than ever.

Make no mistake about it... I believe at some point in our future online poker will be excluded from the UIGEA and legalized/regulated ect ect.

My statements above project at minimum 2 years however with the turmoil America is in. Sickening to say however 2 Billion a year in extra tax revenues is not even close enough to raise these politicians eyebrows when the debt cieling has just been raised to 14 TRILLION dollars.

Black Friday happened for a reason...correct. Now its up to our political system. If you know anything about our political system it moves slower than a turtle in heat.