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08-02-2010 , 02:34 PM
I wonder what would happen if we could get signed confessions.
Will the investigation move forward?
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08-02-2010 , 02:56 PM
What about the pic being staged??
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08-02-2010 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Flip-Flop
^^
So you are saying those dudes in the picture are not cheating?
No, he's saying many of you are acting like over-zealous lunatics about this.
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08-02-2010 , 03:06 PM
I would remind you that extremism in the defense of internet poker integrity is no vice.
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08-02-2010 , 03:06 PM
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No, he's saying many of you are acting like over-zealous lunatics about this.
Yes he is right, why should we or anyone worry about these things.

I'll go fire up a stars DoN, check the games at UB and AP, then go put my Cake account up for grabs by logging on.
Makes sense.
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08-02-2010 , 03:16 PM
If they were any good at colluding they could afford their own internet connection.
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08-02-2010 , 03:19 PM
And if people would read the thread they might get an idea why that room can be an ideal spot for cheating.
And live music to boot, who can say no?
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08-02-2010 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sqwerty12
all we have to do now is solve the Full Tilt/Pokerstars thing and these guys are toast
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Originally Posted by djkelly69
Pokerstars I believe - didn't think Full Tilt offered DONs?
Jess already identified it as Stars in her Twitter post.

Good work djk.
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08-02-2010 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NicReynolds
If they were any good at colluding they could afford their own internet connection.
You have a point, but that doesn't matter. The point here is that these guys were colluding. There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it. No, they could be doing this or that. When 3 guys play on 6 (or 7) laptops at the same time. They aren't doing it to just play and have a jolly good time.
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08-02-2010 , 04:39 PM
Maybe the internet in borders can only sustain 3 laptops that is why they needed the aircards. No way it was for the purpose of getting another IP.
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08-02-2010 , 04:53 PM
clearly collusion by 3 certifiable ritards imo
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08-02-2010 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by wamplerr
Between some jokes, VP$IP did suggest the obvious. If someone from this thread goes to that Borders, uses the wifi, logs into Pokerstars, and PM's you their account name and the time they logged on, can you do anything with that information?
Firstly, PokerStars does not have any employees in the USA. That makes physical access to that particular location difficult.

Secondly, as has been previously discussed in this thread, people who log in from the same IP address are unable to play at the same cash game or Sit & Go Tournament table. Thus, if they were using the Borders internet connection to connect, then that rules out the possibility of them playing in the same event (and thus, any form of collusion).

Last edited by Josem; 08-02-2010 at 08:20 PM. Reason: fixed typo
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08-02-2010 , 08:19 PM
This is at the very least multi accounting, but is most likely 5 guys in a DoN
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08-02-2010 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Firstly, PokerStars does not have any employees in the USA. That makes physical access to that particular location difficult.

Secondly, as has been previously discussed in this thread, people who log in from the same IP address are unable to play at the same cash game or Sit & Go Tournament table. Thus, if they were using the Borders internet connection to connect, then that rules out the possibility of them playing in the same event (and thus, any form of collusion).

^^^Its so obviously irresponsible and lame of him to avoid all the other evidence presented in this thread of why they ARE CHEATING and grabs on to a few sentences where he can just give excuses how he can get out of it and act like he tried- why not just call us fools and thank us for the money we give to your company for doing as little as you possibly can to make it a "safe enviroment to play poker" while your at it *******.
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08-02-2010 , 08:41 PM
^^
That's what has been tilting me in this thread yes.
I can understand how sites could be passive and not too willing to open investigations lightly because after all, they are losing rake for every baned colluder BUT when players present you with good evidence DON'T GIVE US LAME EXCUSES like we are 12 year olds, you are insulting everyone's inteligence here.
Just don't comment and go do whatever you are payed to do, which is definatly not to protect players that much is for sure.
So ***** annoying :/

Droping joker stars like a bad habit is proving to be one of best decisions I've made lately.
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08-02-2010 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Firstly, PokerStars does not have any employees in the USA. That makes physical access to that particular location difficult.

Secondly, as has been previously discussed in this thread, people who log in from the same IP address are unable to play at the same cash game or Sit & Go Tournament table. Thus, if they were using the Borders internet connection to connect, then that rules out the possibility of them playing in the same event (and thus, any form of collusion).
People are suggesting you learn the IP of the place, check for ppl who were online on the date the picture was taken (it is available) from that IP, thus find the game they were playing in, and check if anything suspicious happened.

As a side note, these people most probably read this (at least someone who knows them alerted them) and they probably withdrew all their funds by now.

Stars security team once investigated my account in a very standard spot that didn't even require an investigation imho. Now I see why they have all this free time available.

I'd eat my hat (it's a nice hat) if this wasn't a scene of collusion where they needed one or two more IP's.
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08-02-2010 , 08:57 PM
A girl that works in the poker world, for Bluff and co-host of poker shows claims she saw 3 dudes play on 6 accounts/laptops on stars.
She even makes a picture and posts it... and some people are still going "HUH??? I don't see anyhting suspicious here....??"

Are you fooking kidding me?
WTF is wrong with people?
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08-02-2010 , 08:58 PM
Josem should go to work for UB.
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08-02-2010 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Firstly, PokerStars does not have any employees in the USA. That makes physical access to that particular location difficult.

Secondly, as has been previously discussed in this thread, people who log in from the same IP address are unable to play at the same cash game or Sit & Go Tournament table. Thus, if they were using the Borders internet connection to connect, then that rules out the possibility of them playing in the same event (and thus, any form of collusion).

the 3 visible wireless cards and 6-7 computers for 3 ppl total isnt enough for u to figure out something isnt right?

if a guy walks into a bank w/ a ski mask on would u assume he was just there to make a small deposit?
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08-02-2010 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LucidDream
the 3 visible wireless cards and 6-7 computers for 3 ppl total isnt enough for u to figure out something isnt right?

if a guy walks into a bank w/ a ski mask on would u assume he was just there to make a small deposit?
Maybe the guy in the Full Tilt hat (obviously a serious professional) just went shopping at Best Buy and was just trying to figure out which of the six laptops ran Pokerstars best
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08-02-2010 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Firstly, PokerStars does not have any employees in the USA. That makes physical access to that particular location difficult.

Secondly, as has been previously discussed in this thread, people who log in from the same IP address are unable to play at the same cash game or Sit & Go Tournament table. Thus, if they were using the Borders internet connection to connect, then that rules out the possibility of them playing in the same event (and thus, any form of collusion).
You're not even trying. It has been clearly shown that several of the laptops are using cellular cards. This means that they have different IP addresses from the address provided by the Borders router. Additionally, it has been stated that this specific Borders has overlapping WiFi service from other nearby stores.

Find out the IP address of the Borders router. Ask someone you know who lives in Las Vegas to determine which other WiFi networks are available at that table in that Borders. Find out the IP addresses of those routers. Determine who, if anyone, was playing from those locations at the time and date of the photo. If there were no players from any of the IP addresses in question, then these three friends obviously agreed to bring their seven laptops to Borders to share JPGs of their modified Stars themes and their HUD configurations.
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08-02-2010 , 09:31 PM
If these morans aren't 2p2 can someone just stop by there for a few minutes each night and get some better pictures or strike up a convo? They'll probably be back.

Probably the best opportunity to get some more info.
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08-02-2010 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LucidDream
the 3 visible wireless cards and 6-7 computers for 3 ppl total isnt enough for u to figure out something isnt right?

if a guy walks into a bank w/ a ski mask on would u assume he was just there to make a small deposit?
this x a lot
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08-02-2010 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NickStam
If these morans aren't 2p2 can someone just stop by there for a few minutes each night and get some better pictures or strike up a convo? They'll probably be back.

Probably the best opportunity to get some more info.
I would think at least one, if not all of these guys are probably 2+2'ers, right?
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08-02-2010 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by wetleg
I would think at least one, if not all of these guys are probably 2+2'ers, right?
meh i doubt it. people with half a brain (most 2p2ers??) would realise they could just buy 2 or 3 more aircards and play in one of their mom's basements rather than in public using a likely trackable IP address.
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