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09-13-2010 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DublingUp
What blows me away is this "so called poker reporter" after seeing something so suspect, wouldn't nonchalantly grab a seat, have a few coffees, and listen to the diolague between them. One would think even a halfway decent reporter would feel obligated to do so. After an hour or more you would obv be able to have some insight on what type of interaction is going on. From the tone of the tweets, she seems to somewhat laugh this off.
If she had gone up to them, acted dumb about poker and asked them what they were doing, they probably would have told her everything they were up to.

At worst, she could have figured it out for herself very quickly and gotten their screen names.
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09-13-2010 , 03:52 AM
Let's say these guys are colluding on 100$ DONs and playing one at a time. Can someone figure out how much money they would stand to gain over whatever their regular ROI is? Because I think it's important to determine what they stand to gain from doing this. I understand that even if they make only an extra 10$ an hour it would still be cheating but figuring out how much they can make from this would make their motivations more clear, at least for me.
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09-13-2010 , 08:49 AM
Bob Dylan lyrics sound better when rapped imo.
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09-13-2010 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
Meh.. Josem admitted he made a mistake. When you read as many false accusations as he does, it's not surprising that he occasionally misinterprets a situation. It's also not surprising that he misinterpretted this specific situation because it's probably pretty similar to a silly complaint that he's really tired of hearing ("I SAW THREE PEOPLE PLAYING ONLINE POKER IN THE SAME ROOM!") and because it's pretty unconventional since the only evidence is some photograph. Obviously it sucks that he got it wrong, but humans make human error...
There's probably an interesting tangent here about the nature of observation. Just speaking for myself, I'd like to think I'm an observant person but it took me waaay longer that I would've thought possible to notice the multiple laptops. And after you see it, or it's pointed out to you, it jumps right out off the screen (that's a lot of godam laptops) but i'd be willing to bet it's not nearly the first thing anybody notices. Woteva, there are a bunch of interesting studies about the science of observation and people can google if they're interested.

/hijack

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Originally Posted by ike
Oops, guess I didn't look closely enough at the picture. I hadn't noticed that there was more than one computer per person or that they were on aircards. That changes my mind entirely. They were probably doing something bad.
Wow, very next post. Lolz. And obv i'm not laughing at you Isaac, I just mentioned I did the exact same thing. It's bizarre, isn't it?
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09-13-2010 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by POB666
Bob Dylan lyrics sound better when rapped imo.

VANDALS TOOK THE HANDLE
HOLLA AT UR BOY
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09-25-2010 , 07:27 PM
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Oops, guess I didn't look closely enough at the picture. I hadn't noticed that there was more than one computer per person or that they were on aircards. That changes my mind entirely. They were probably doing something bad.
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There's probably an interesting tangent here about the nature of observation. Just speaking for myself, I'd like to think I'm an observant person but it took me waaay longer that I would've thought possible to notice the multiple laptops. And after you see it, or it's pointed out to you, it jumps right out off the screen (that's a lot of godam laptops) but i'd be willing to bet it's not nearly the first thing anybody notices. Woteva, there are a bunch of interesting studies about the science of observation and people can google if they're interested.
OK. I see now that it is not intuitively obvious to the casual observer.
  • 3 players
  • at least 6 computers
  • at least 3 air cards (visible on computers 1 , 5 and 6)



And I apologize to Josem if I was too harsh.
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10-03-2010 , 09:15 PM
64 days but ...

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10-03-2010 , 09:23 PM
how are stars gonna investigate this?
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10-03-2010 , 09:28 PM
so fked kids are this blatant and retarted, i just LOL at this post every time it is bumped in NVG
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10-04-2010 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by moki
Given that they are likely using the Borders wireless connection, and thus would be coming from the same external IP to PokerStars, the software wouldn't let them be at the same table anyway.

Not saying there can't be collusion going on here, but it's not that likely they are all sitting at the same tables.
^^ This /thread
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10-04-2010 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Shadow11792
^^ This /thread
There are other businesses with wifi in the area.
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10-04-2010 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
limon - How do think it is better than 50/50 that they aren't cheating? Just curious.

You don't need to set up a different computer with an air-card just to rail somebody.

I don't think it's 100% that they are cheating. There are some goofy scenarios and hypotheticals to justify what they are doing without it being cheating.

But I think it's less than 50/50 for 3 players to use 2 computers each AND with air-cards without it being a situation where they are breaking the rules somehow.
I know plenty of people who use air cards in public, because a normal wireless connection in a cafe, or shop is either insecure, or so slow you're at risk of disconnection.
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10-04-2010 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by zoe.
I know plenty of people who use air cards in public, because a normal wireless connection in a cafe, or shop is either insecure, or so slow you're at risk of disconnection.
Do you know plenty of people that simultaneously use two laptops with air cards in public?

Do you know plenty of people that simultaneously use two laptops with air cards in public sitting together with two other people that are also using two laptops with air cards?

Do you know plenty of people that simultaneously use two laptops with air cards in public sitting together with two other people that are also using two laptops with air cards and they're logged into PokerStars on all 6 laptops?

So yeah, using an air card in public doesn't mean you're cheating. Do it with 3 people across six different laptops and things aren't looking good.

It's unsettling that someone from Pokerstars looks at this picture and basically says "Pfffffffff" and that when they decide their might be something fishy going on there's not much they can do about it.
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10-04-2010 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroRoller
Do you know plenty of people that simultaneously use two laptops with air cards in public?

Do you know plenty of people that simultaneously use two laptops with air cards in public sitting together with two other people that are also using two laptops with air cards?

Do you know plenty of people that simultaneously use two laptops with air cards in public sitting together with two other people that are also using two laptops with air cards and they're logged into PokerStars on all 6 laptops?

So yeah, using an air card in public doesn't mean you're cheating. Do it with 3 people across six different laptops and things aren't looking good.

It's unsettling that someone from Pokerstars looks at this picture and basically says "Pfffffffff" and that when they decide their might be something fishy going on there's not much they can do about it.
Not suggesting this isn't collusion, just implying simply owning an air card isn't suspicious in itself. The behaviour displayed certainly looks questionable. That said, it's a little silly that this is morphing into a Pokerstars bashing thread. What exactly would you expect them to do in this situation? There isn't sufficient evidence to conclude that something counter to Stars T and C has taken place, nor to identify those involved.
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10-04-2010 , 10:07 PM
I go to that Borders maybe once a month, the gambling section is behind the light colored wall. Anyone think they might show up again?
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10-04-2010 , 10:10 PM
In another forum i browse some guy posted a thread looking for fellow chip dumpers on pokerstars and nobody said a thing business as usual. 2+2ers have no idea how bad cheating is. Every tournament you play you need to decrease your odds to take into consideration taking on teams of chip dumpers.
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